Based on something Rob wrote at some point, I've been using "*" as Product Code and not changing the upgrade code.
It really seems like the OP's basic requirement is that each release is an independent product, so if they just do that they'll be 99% of the way there. Of course the last 1% is always the hardest. On Mar 7, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Pavan Konduru <pavan.kond...@accelrys.com> wrote: > Hi Walter, > > Changing the upgrade code will only treat it as an upgrade. We would need to > change the product code to make it install side-by-side. > > --Pavan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Dexter [mailto:wfdex...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 6:21 AM > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade and side by side with the same installer > > Silly naive question... Would giving each version a different Upgrade codeand > a version based destination directory (like MyApp.1.1.1 instead of just > MyApp) accomplish at least most of what Pavan wants? > On Mar 6, 2014 3:20 PM, "Bryan Wolf" <brw...@jackhenry.com> wrote: > >> My thoughts were more focused on what the product actually supports in >> terms of side-by-side and less of what MSI can do for you. Once you >> establish what the product does, it'll be easier to model your >> installer better. >> >> E.g. Visual Studio is basically sandboxed off but some features (like >> VS2010 compilers on VS2012) are green-lighted based on presence. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pavan Konduru [mailto:pavan.kond...@accelrys.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:01 PM >> To: General discussion about the WiX toolset. >> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade and side by side with the same >> installer >> >> Hi Bryan, >> >> Thank you for your inputs. >> The product is installed for all users(per machine). All users have >> access to any installed versions of the product on the machine. Am not >> sure if this will make life easier! >> The upgrade/side-by-side was being supported through Installanywhere >> installer(even though the product is only a Windows only deployment), >> which is a complete different technology. I am in the process of >> changing the IA installer to WIX. >> >> --Pavan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bryan Wolf [mailto:brw...@jackhenry.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:07 PM >> To: General discussion about the WiX toolset. >> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade and side by side with the same >> installer >> >> Another way of looking at what John is suggesting is considering that >> you probably want to take a step back a moment and focus more on >> version 3 and less on version 2. You're looking at some sort of >> super-linear number of installations you're going to have to support; >> all those permutations on top of what is already a matrix of install >> testing that needs to be done means you could be talking somewhere in >> the order of 10,000 different tests for just a couple of operating >> systems and configurations by versions 4 and 5. Obviously you can't >> test that much, so it would just be gap in the end result. >> >> Version 2 is the easy part. The hard part is asking the age-old >> question, "What if more than 1 person did this?" >> >> Specifically, the answer may lay in focusing on what the wording of >> the word "support" means. Does adding users to version 1 affect version 2? >> Permissions? Maybe those questions might make it easier - but I advise >> not going through with scenario-based installers. :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pavan Konduru [mailto:pavan.kond...@accelrys.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:19 PM >> To: General discussion about the WiX toolset. >> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade and side by side with the same >> installer >> >> Hi John, >> >> Thank you for your inputs. >> Looks like things would get pretty complicated when Hotfixes and >> patches will be involved. >> The problem is the product architecture supports different versions >> residing side-by-side. Been pulling my hair out to see how to make >> this work. >> How about creating 2 installers, one which does a side-by-side and one >> which would do an upgrade. The bootstrapper checks for existing >> product and give an option to user for upgrade/side-by-side. Call the >> appropriate installer based on User selection? >> >> Is this feasible? It would surely involve a lot of redundant code and >> maintenance. >> >> --Pavan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Cooper [mailto:jocoo...@jackhenry.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 2:48 PM >> To: General discussion about the WiX toolset. >> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade and side by side with the same >> installer >> >> No (it's not a good architecture). Major Upgrade mostly works really >> well and can be fully automated. Side-by-side converts it to a manual >> process. >> You're also going to have to maintain a set of patches for each >> release (really, each separate product, since you're going to have to >> have separate upgrade code GUID's to make this work). >> >> Of course, there are plenty of products out here that execute this >> model, including several from Microsoft. But popular doesn't mean good. >> >> With each new "version" that can run side-by-side with all the others, >> you're going to have a factorial increasing load for your QA team >> trying to figure out (and stamp out) all the interactions. Same goes >> for each installer, each patch, each upgrade, etc. >> >> -- >> John Merryweather Cooper >> Build & Install Engineer - ESA >> Jack Henry & Associates, Inc.(r) >> Shawnee Mission, KS 66227 >> Office: 913-341-3434 x791011 >> jocoo...@jackhenry.com >> www.jackhenry.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hoover, Jacob [mailto:jacob.hoo...@greenheck.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 4:27 PM >> To: General discussion about the WiX toolset. >> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Upgrade and side by side with the same >> installer >> >> Best I could think is to use Burn and make each install able to side >> by side install, and conditionally remove the old copy based on user >> input inside a custom BA.. You'd lose the major upgrade goodies of >> Windows Installer, but it should work. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pavan Konduru [mailto:pavan.kond...@accelrys.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 3:04 PM >> To: General discussion about the WiX toolset. ( >> wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net) >> Subject: [WiX-users] Upgrade and side by side with the same installer >> >> Hi All, >> >> Is it possible to create an installer that would do an upgrade or >> side-by-side based on the user input? >> Say we have 1.0 installed. When the user runs a version 2.0 of the >> same product, give him a choice to either upgrade the existing or >> install as a side by side. >> >> Is it a good architecture to even allow this? >> >> --Pavan >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion & Make the >> Move to Perforce. >> With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. 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