On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:34:44 +0200 Ralf Stephan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> [also sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello, > Am I right in assuming that the terms 'dialog' and 'utility window' > in the Gnome HIG correspond to the same terms used in the Extended > Window Manager Hints standard? > > http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.4.html > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ > > If so, then the HIG's guidelines involving minimize buttons on those > windows can only be fulfilled by the window manager, as the app > developer and Gtk can only give hints regarding the window type. > > But then, window managers should be tested /wrt the Gnome HIG and, > in particular, the creation of window decoration buttons should > be part of the EWMH, subject to the guidelines in the Gnome HIG. > > IOW, I'm calling for harmonization between EWMH and HIG. That this > is necessary is shown by the fact that, e.g., the Metacity WM is > deemed EWMH conformant but dialog/utility window hints don't place a > minimize button on the window while the HIG requires them there. BUG everyone here I am sure woudl agree - HIG != EWMH. EWHM extends beyond gnome and its HIG. It's up to a WM as to what it may decide to do given such hints. The WM may not even handle it - it may pass this task onto the given theme to handle as it sees fit. It may make other decisions, like removing buttons if the window title is too small to fit them, despite what hints may say, etc. I think what we have is perfectly fine. It's up to the GNOME group to decide what to do - change Metactity, change the HIG, or use a different WM they belive complies in their view, but the EWMH isn't about briging HIG into the world of all WM's. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) _______________________________________________ wm-spec-list mailing list wm-spec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/wm-spec-list
