Though the idea of an "I suck" hint does have a certain strange appeal :)
-Rob -----Original Message----- From: Lubos Lunak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: Use-positions-properly-dammit hint Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:51 am Size: 2K To: wm-spec-list@gnome.org On Friday 11 August 2006 02:20, Rob Adams wrote: > Are there many EWMH clients that are doing this sort of abuse? You mean, besides the Qt and Gtk ones :) ? Ok, I actually don't if it's really the toolkit in the case of Gtk apps, but Qt has to work with all weird kinds of systems and WMs and simply does it the easy way by always using PPosition|USPosition. If I don't give them a reasonable way of detecting when they can do it properly, I'm not sure they will. > If > mostly the abusers are those that don't support EWMH, then it's not > likely to help much. Otherwise, clients could simply detect EWMH > support by checking for the existence of a supported hint at all, and > follow those guidelines. I think, with the current state of things of clients doing workarounds for WM workarounds for broken clients, that it's simpler to have a clear start. Using EWMH=good, not-EWMH=bad might be a quite good heuristic, but then are really all WMs with at least some EWMH hints good, with the spec having been around for so long? I admit it is weird to have a flag for I-am-doing-it-properly, but then we can't have a flag for I-suck I'm afraid. Additionally there's the thing about e.g. dialog placement, with currently all apps explicitly placing their dialogs, as otherwise they'd often get normal window placement for them, which is undesired. Well, or at least app writers think so, given that they always do it. The WM may do better here, but without a flag it can't know that the dialog has just default position specified and the client can't know it'll get default position even without explicitly specifying it. -- Lubos Lunak KDE developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] Drahobejlova 27 tel: +420 2 9654 2373 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 2 9654 2374 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ _______________________________________________ wm-spec-list mailing list wm-spec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/wm-spec-list _______________________________________________ wm-spec-list mailing list wm-spec-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/wm-spec-list
