Attendees: Lawrence Mandel, Arthur Ryman, John Kaputin

Minutes

1. Open Action Items - Lawrence Mandel

2007-05-22 - John will document the Woden decision making and development 
processes on the Woden site.
2007-06-19
John: No progress.
2007-06-26
John: I'll revisit this in another week after I'm made some further 
progress on the Woden extensions.
2007-07-10
John: No progress.
2007-07-17
John: No progress. I don't think I'll have a chance to take care of this 
action this week.
2007-08-07
John: No progress. I think what's needed here is what a new developer 
would need to get involved. Using Jira and the mailing list. Using the W3C
test suite. Open development. Milestones. I haven't had a chance to look 
at the Apache documentation to see what exactly is required.
Lawrence: I'll look at the requirements and put up a skeleton document 
that we can all work to fill in.
2007-08-14
Lawrence: I posted the skeleton doc last night.
Dan: I've started some documentation that I can contribute to this page.
2007-08-21
John: I haven't committed Dan's documentation for build and test yet. I'll
probably apply it this week.
2007-08-28
Lawrence: I filled in most of this document. John said he can handle the 
source code conventions.
John: Yes. Tomorrow I'm going to apply Dan's patches including his 
documentation.
Lawrence: Great. Please read through the doc and make any changes you 
think necessary and this action should be complete.
2007-09-18
John: I've been testing Dan's change to modularize the build. Once I'm 
done I can commit the changes.
Dan: I've included a patch for the XML file from the Web site that 
contains the updates.
2007-10-02
John: I can't commit Dan's doc updates until I finish the Jira associated 
with the build changes. I need to review and possibly add to Dan's 
changes.
Lawrence: I reviewed Dan's doc changes and had a couple suggestions, which
he's already addressed. The source code section also needs to be filled 
in.
[action] John will fill in the source code section with Java coding 
conventions.
2007-10-09
John: This is still waiting on Woden-67. I'm working on this now. I'm 
having trouble getting a clean Axis2 build to test the changes.
2007-10-16
John: I'm still working on Woden-67. I've had some trouble getting the 
Axis2 build working.


2007-10-02 - John will fill in the source code section with Java coding 
conventions.
2007-10-09
John: I'll take care of this after I finish applying Dan's changes from 
Woden-67.
2007-10-16
John: No progress.


2007-10-02 - John will create a page describing the API, XmlSchema, and 
array concerns and open Jiras for each concern.
2007-10-09
John: I'll take care of this after I finish with Woden-67 and the 
documentation.
2007-10-16
John: No progress.


2. Milestone 8 (M8) Status - John Kaputin

John: I've been working on Woden-67. I had to make some changes to get the 
build working. I have a build running now. If it's successful Woden-67 
should be complete. Once this is done I'll finish the other documentation 
specified in the actions. After that there are 4 or 5 other Jira's with 
patches contributed by Dan that I need to get to.


3. Graduation from Incubation - Lawrence Mandel

Lawrence: There's only one item left before we can propose for graduation. 
The documentation needs to be completed. John is working on this. Once 
this item is complete we can propose graduation. There is no mention of a 
project vote according to the documentation [1]. However, our process will 
be graduation votes by 1) the Woden project on woden-dev, 2) the WS 
project on [EMAIL PROTECTED], 3) the incubator project on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[1]http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements


4. Development Discussion - All

Lawrence: Have you heard from Sagara after making the commits and 
providing feedback?
John: Not yet. I haven't had any time to follow up this past week. There 
are some issues before I can merge the Woden-67 branch into trunk.

Arthur: What about the WSDL stylesheets Tomi Vanek has created?
John: I read the e-mails. I haven't heard anything else.
Arthur: We should post to the list with the process for contributing to 
the project.
[action] Lawrence will follow up on the list and with Tomi Vanek with the 
process for contributing.

Arthur: Did anything come of Ed and Craig's comments? 
Lawrence: We had a conversation about this a couple weeks ago.
John: I'm going to create a wiki page describing the issues raised.
Arthur: Woden has a clean API that can be used for validation and any 
implementation can be created for that API that can then benefit from 
validation.
Lawrence: Ed raised an issue with the XmlSchema API bleeding into the 
Woden API.
John: He also wasn't happy with the two APIs for component and document.
Arthur: Ed and Craig are concerned with creating editors and so their 
comments likely come from that perspective.
John: Woden is built for consumers like the validator and wsdl2java tools. 
I think it's valid to question the need for two APIs. We may be able to 
merge them. The element API has looked over time more like the component 
API. Should we expand the component model adding information from the 
element model? wsdl2java can't get all the info it needs from the 
component model.
Arthur: We can create two interfaces, read and read/write. Or, component 
and document.
Lawrence: In the second case the document interface would have the write 
methods?
John: We will need to figure out how to handle the differences between a 
description element and component.


5. Other Business - All

Arthur: I haven't heard anything about starting up the W3C Web service 
maintenance working group.
[action] Arthur will follow up with the W3C to find out the status of the 
WS maintenance working group.

Lawrence: Thanks for writing the Woden section of the WS Sept. board 
report. We're up next month for the incubator board report.


Thanks,

Lawrence Mandel


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