> The kind of clients I get are clients who think this 
> is a great site
> : www.canadianlakes.com.au

And it looks fine, for the kind of site it is. If I had worked on it, it
would look almost the same, except it would be valid html and css and it
wouldn't use frames. Just because you're building sites in a valid way
doesn't mean your pitches to clients or the sites you deliver need to look
any different (ok, they will look better, but an untrained eye probably
wouldn't notice anything specific, nor should they). 

K.

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Kay Smoljak
Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation
PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/
Ph: 08 9226 1366 - Fax: 08 9226 1375 



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