I also realize that ZenGardens is sorta "frozen in space and time" and Eric would have done some things differently if he was doing it today - I found that real interesting reading in the csszengardens book.

I think you mean Dave [Shae] (not Eric)

Cheers

Nathan

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Not exactly a clean user experience then. Particularly troublesome when designers rely on the background image and define colour for their text to be readable against it, but fail to provide fallback background colour.

Zengarden is an experimental site, showcasing in many cases how one can push the boundaries using CSS. I would not hold it as a model for what should or shouldn't be implemented on a production site.


Hi Patrick: In this case there is "fallback colour". Its perfectly readable w/out the background image, at least it is when I "hide background image" w/ the webdev toolbar in Firefox. and from what i've observed when it is loading.

okay okay *smile* maybe zengardens is not a good example, I mainly mentioned it because I was familiar with it, of course, and knew that others would be on here, also. I also realize that ZenGardens is sorta "frozen in space and time" and Eric would have done some things differently if he was doing it today - I found that real interesting reading in the csszengardens book.

I think there are issues w/ this design but I can't see how the background image is particularly an issue - if it was embedded in the html, altogether different, obviously.

so .... okay, I'm a newby and can't believe I'm "arguing" with you experts (maybe because its too hot here in Maine even though its much better than a lot of the U.S.) but nobody has convinced me that the background image here is a problem.

cheers
Donna

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