wow - it was the missing "}"
Georg just let me make sure i understand the i.e. future safe way. Does it go like this? mozilla type browser #logo{margin: 0px auto 0 9px; } i.e.(versions 5 and up is it?) * html #logo{margin: 777px auto 0 555px;} thanks for your patience kvnmcwebn also i will start validating my css as well as the html. ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************