I think your negative margins are getting the better of you. Because both elements directly follow each other there shouldn't be any need to do anything othet than set H# bottom and UL/LI top margins and padding to 0.
The change below worked for me. .mainleft ul { margin-top: 0px; -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kvnmcwebn Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 3:32 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] narrowing the gap between h3 and ul-help hello all, just tryin to narrow the distance between my h3 element and some unordered lists. easy enough in ff but negative margins dont seem to budge the ul in ie. example html http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final5.htm css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index3.css http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/nav.css -best kvncwebn ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ****************************************************** ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************