Thanks for all the replies guys, "In my banners/headers I almost always use background image...alternative is a % width."
I need to do it as an image in the xhtml rather than css, it's a restriction of the CMS I am using "it would help to clean it up before seeking advice" Lol, all the main rules are now embedded. The extra sheet was just a production sheet I use. "If you want the nifty rounded edges to remain" The image could be square cornered. I just need it to slide under the newsflash background. I have cut down the page to bare minimum that shows the problem... http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/ thanks for the help so far, keep it coming! Barrie ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************