In most cases, positioning the element off left of screen is a much
better approach than display:none. Accessibility does not mean that
all css is ignored, and in this case, display:none will probably be
adhered to by a screenreader.

If you can absolutely position an element, set it's "left" property to
be a negative "em" value, e.g:

.hideLeft {
  position:absolute;
  left:-999em;
 ...
}

Alternatively, sometimes a text-indent will also work (especially if
your absolute element is inside another absolute/relative element)

.hideLeft {
  text-indent:-999em;
  ...
}

Karl

On 10/30/07, James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Toney i was speaking in general, i didn't realize he was talking about
> hiding keywords from visual view but so spiders see them.
>
> I though he was on about "Would hiding elements, such as replacing
> navigation text with images, effect search engine spiders and would
> the see the navigation text".
>
> I am fully aware SEO abuse, i didn't know he was referencing to that,
> my mistake.
>
> James
>
>
> On 10/29/07, Dave Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It depends what you're using it for. If it's for black hat search
> > engine tactics which will contain keywords then yes it's bad as it can
> > get you completely banned from Google.
> >
> > If it's for hiding an element of the page which you'll then be
> > displaying using either CSS or JavaScript then it's not neccesarily
> > bad for search engines but can be bad for accessibility as screen
> > readers will ignore it so you'd be better off using negative text
> > indent or negative absolute positioning.
> >
> > It depends on what situation you're using it for but yes it can be bad
> > if used wrongly.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - -
> > http://www.dave-woods.co.uk
> >
> >
> > On 29/10/2007, James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I highly doubt that presentational styles will effect SEO.
> > >
> > > When you use display:none you are not removing the
> > > content from the source, you are just hiding it from
> > > users viewing the web page.
> > >
> > > If you was to remove the element from the source using
> > > DOM that would be different.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/29/07, Tony Crockford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Oct 2007, at 15:46, Simon Cockayne wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am sure I read that CSS's display: none has a detrimental on SEO.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this true* or did I dream it?
> > > > >
> > > > > *To clarify...I am keen to know if it is true that there is a
> > > > > detrimental impact...not whether it is true that I read it or not.
> > > >
> > > > Google specifically caution against hiding text with CSS:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66353
> > > >
> > > > is that what you meant?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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