There's where the difference is.users are *allowed* to come to sites that I build
as a benefit to them. I don't know of a single user who ever visited a site (other than somebody's mother) for the benefit of the site's owner or developer. People don't visit newegg.com, Microsoft,com, or apple.com or any other site for the benefit of those companies.they go because it benefits them.and they are happy for the privilege of visiting those sites with the browser that they are "allowed" to use by Microsoft, Apple, Opera, et al. It never has been and never will be "their" browser. You have an "unusual" perspective on reality, Andrew. Rick From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Maben Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:37 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites? Do you imagine that a condescending, not to say insulting, tone adds weight to your arguments? If so, I'm sorry to disabuse you, but it just makes a weak point weaker. To address your argument, you appear (as does OP) to be confused as to the context of "user benefit", "call to action". I find it useful to remember that the common conception of "visitors" "coming to" your site has it backwards - they are extending you the courtesy of allowing your site to visit their browser. As such it is probably better, and certainly more polite, to restrict the scope of one's calls to action to the site, and leave decisions about the browser environment to the user. As for your second paragraph, apart from affording you the opportunity to offer a completely gratuitous insult, and while broadly true it is entirely irrelevant to the question at hand. Respectfully. Andrew http://www.andrewmaben.net and...@andrewmaben.com "In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions." On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Nathan de Vries wrote: On 26/03/2009, at 10:07 AM, Dennis Lapcewich wrote: The simple process of adding a "favorites link" on a web page is a proprietary function attributed to a single browser designed and developed by its manufacturer solely as marketing mechanism for said company. While on its face this may appear as a user benefit, the actual benefit is just for that single browser and its creator. Bookmarking or adding a site to your favorites is not a user benefit? You've got to be kidding me. While some may be inclined to include a "favorites" link on a web page as a method to retain customers, bear in mind the function requires the user to support a proprietary process as well. Have you been living in a cave? With progressive enhancement, it's possible to improve the user experience of some without negatively affecting others. Not only that, but the competition pressures vendors in positive ways, more often than not leading to standardisation. If vendors sat around holding hands trying to reach consensus before releasing features in their browsers, innovation would halt altogether. Nathan de Vries ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *******************************************************************
