Can you do a plot of p1 vs p2 and show one plot with errors and one with
correct?
Since you have p1 in both axes you automatically get a correlation between
them.

And could you post a link to download the data you have with
p1/p2/error/correct?

Thanks
Mike W9MDB

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Steven Franke <s.j.fra...@icloud.com>
wrote:

> Joe -
>
> Just FYI - two plots attached. These are 2D histograms of the symbol rank
> and p2/p1 ratio for all symbols associated with successfully decoded files
> from my batch of 1000 JTSim files with SNR=-24dB. Note that each of these
> quantities (rank, p2/p1) is invariant under any multiplicative scaling
> factor applied to both p1 and p2.
>
> x-axis is the symbol's p1-rank. Lowest rank corresponds to highest p1.
>
> y-axis is p2/p1.
>
> The first plot, with yellow concentrated in the upper right is for symbols
> that were in error. The second plot, with yellow in the lower left is for
> symbols that are correct.
>
> Using the insight provided by these plots, I now have 709/1000 decodes for
> the batch of 1000 JTSim files at -24dB.  This is using WSJT10, sfrsd, SFM
> and ntrials=10000. The erasure proabilities are assigned .by carving up the
> plane into 4 regions, and assigning the highest erasure probability to the
> upper right. That’s still without using the mr2sym’s.
>
> Getting closer! As time permits, I’ll see if I can reproduce these results
> using your sfrsd2 and rsdtest.
>
> Steve k9an
>
> On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Joe Taylor <j...@princeton.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> On 9/26/2015 10:40 AM, Steven Franke wrote:
>
> Don’t worry about it Joe - I tried scaling up my metrics by a factor
> of 4 and then kvasd gave me 644 decodes. So it’s clear that kvasd
> wants bigger numbers. For now, I’ll just focus on trying optimize sfrsd…
>
> Your rsdtest looks like a good way to do quick runs to test sfrsd.
> At your leisure, can you point me to the s3_1000.bin file?
>
>
> With SVN revision 5929 I have remade the s3_1000.bin file into "stream"
> format, which will make it easier to read in C.  I posted a copy of the
> file at
> http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/s3_1000.bin
>
> I’m playing with “R” to do statistics on metrics. So far, it looks
> like the rank of p1 (index of p1 in a sorted list) and the ratio
> p2/p1 are the most powerful statistics for identifying symbols that
> are likely to be in error - at least for the SFM.
>
>
> Great!  I am looking at similar things, but in a different (largely
> qualitative) way.  Will be interesting to see where this takes us.
>
> Do you remember how you came up with the JTM? It looks like you
> use exp(x) to expand the distribution of the power associated with
> each symbol, and then normalize to the total exponentially-expanded
> power. Was this chosen empirically? Or based on a certain model
> for a fading channel?
>
>
> I think Ralf Koetter suggested the exp(x) to me; I think I also found it
> in a Viterbi book.  The detailed parameter choices were purely
> empirical.  We're not working with averaged transmissions yet, but the
> dependence on "nadd" is intended to allow for different statistics of
> elements of s3(i,j) when synchronized transmissions have been averaged.
>
> -- Joe
>
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