Bill, please name one contest that takes place on reserved frequencies?  There are none.  Every other contest allows casuals to jump in and work who they want.  Most participants in a contest are casual ops and not really competing to win anything.

The software should just be able to complete a contact regardless of mode or simplify the exchange for all contacts.  I have yet to hear a good reason why we need multiple exchange sequences in FT8.

W0MU


On 7/24/2018 5:50 AM, Bill Barrett wrote:
Perhaps these contests should be on a separate frequency designated to be operated as "contest mode"?

Bill W2PKY

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:37 PM W0MU Mike Fatchett <w...@w0mu.com <mailto:w...@w0mu.com>> wrote:

    First of all I want to thank everyone for this great advancement
    in the
    hobby!


    The CQ WW VHF was my first exposure to contest mode and it was a very
    frustrating 27 hours.

    If I am in contest mode and I call CQ and get an answer from
    someone who
    is not, there is essentially no way to complete a qso unless one side
    changes into or out of contest mode.  What happened to me is I would
    switch and then the other side would switch and we would be opposite.
    Frustrating!

    The main issue is that we cannot expect those not in the contest
    to have
    to switch into a specific mode to work us.  This does not happen
    in any
    other contest.  We cannot expect this from casual ops.  I am glad
    they
    want to work me.  Being able to work them should be painless too!

    Why is contest mode needed?  If a qso is good in contest mode with
    less
    sequences I suggest that all FT8 exchanges be the same. Is there a
    specific reason two have multiple sets of exchanges for in a
    contest and
    not in a contest?  I don't think so.

    I understand that this was an issue for the June VHF contest too.

    If you guys can move my xmit around in fox/hound mode, which
    worked out
    really well, there has to be a solution for this.  I believe that the
    fox was still able to work people not running hound?  We need the
    same
    ability in contest mode.

    I believe that this is already being examined but I thought I
    would give
    my feedback.  I would be happy to provide more information if desired.

    Thanks again for all the hard work in bringing us FT8!

    W0MU


    
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