Steve,
I apologize, but I don't know what this is.
Is this:
1. fyi, about timelines of issues?
2. An escalation of the Chairs for not dealing with this issue per the
HTML 5 WG process?
3. An observation that the finalized HTML 5 spec as it moves forward
(LC--> CR --> REC) will diverge from a continually updated WHAT WG
Living Standard (with presumably re-syncing as we move to HTML.next)?
4. Something else?
Thanks.
Jeff
On 3/28/2012 8:19 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
I want to clarify one point that I implied by this statement
"I suspect while this change will be applied to the W3C HTML5 but not
to the WHAT WG, resulting in further divergence between the 2 specs
and further dilution of standardized authoring advice (in this case)."
The active involvement of people, such as the editor in the HTML WG
process, does not necessarily result in standardization of HTML being
advanced. If the editor does not agree with a change to HTML decided
by the working group its only applied to the W3C HTML5 spec [1].
[1]
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/introduction.html#is-this-html5?
regards
Stevef
On 28 March 2012 11:35, Steve Faulkner <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Timeline of an issue: this is an example of a re-ocurring pattern [1]
Over a 5 month period, feedback and input was called for, a
detailed proposal was provided - total silence ensued, after the
process is complete the editor comments on IRC.
I suspect while this change will be applied to the W3C HTML5 but
not to the WHAT WG, resulting in further divergence between the 2
specs and further dilution of standardized authoring advice (in
this case).
Timeline of an issue:
**Bug 14937*
<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14937> -Replace
poor coding example for figure with multiple images opened:
2011-11-25 21:20:52 UTC
* editor rejects
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14937#c1
<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14937#c1%20>2011-12-07
23:01:38 UTC
Status: Rejected
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: This isn't an antipattern. It is a best practice.
If current ATs
don't make it accessible, then I recommend approaching AT
vendors and
explaining to them that they're not properly exposing HTML
semantics.
* feedback provided on rejection:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14937#c2
* No further response from editor
* escalated to issue: Issue 190
<https://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190> 2011-12-08
10:27:42 UTC
* I submit a proposal
<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitle_captions>:
January 18th, 2012.
* Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0127.html> Wed,
25 Jan 2012 14:42:45
* NO counter proposals or feedback on proposal
* CfC: Close ISSUE-190 coding-example by Amicable Resolution
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0463.html>issued
Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:23:27
As we have received no counter-proposals or alternate
proposals, the
chairs are issuing a call for consensus on the proposal that
we do have.
If no objections are raised to this call by March 7th 2012, we
will
direct the editor to make the proposed change. If anybody
would like to
raise an objection during this time, we strongly encourage them to
accompany their objection with a concrete and complete change
proposal.
* No responses to CFC
* Chairs issue: Working Group Decision:Close ISSUE-190
coding-example by Amicable Resolution
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0731.html>Mon,
26 Mar 2012
Commenst by editor on IRC: 2012-03-28 (it appears that this is the
first time the editor has looked at the proposal)
1. # <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120328#l-15>
[00:16] <Hixie>
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitle_captions#Details
2. # <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120328#l-16>
[00:16] <Hixie> really?
3. # <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120328#l-17>
[00:17] <Hixie> we're actually going to put an example in the
spec _encouraging_ nested figures?
[1]
* Working Group Decision: Close ISSUE-192 title-attribute by
Amicable Resolution
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0558.html>
/(Tuesday, 20 March)/
* Working Group Decision: Close ISSUE-188: generic-track-format
by Amicable Resolution
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.html>
/(Tuesday, 20 March)/
* Working Group Decision: Close ISSUE-187 validity-stability by
Amicable Resolution
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0556.html>
/(Tuesday, 20 March)/
* Working Group Decision: Close ISSUE-182
footnote-recommendation by Amicable Resolution
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0555.html>
/(Tuesday, 20 March)/
* Working Group Decision: Close ISSUE-179 av_param by Amicable
Resolution
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0554.html>
/(Tuesday, 20 March)/
* Working Group Decision: Close ISSUE-170 rel-uri-valid by
Amicable Resolution
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0553.html>
/(Tuesday, 20 March)/
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