I just noticed that in 10.12.2 when I went to look up passwords stored in 
Safari there was a new interface and it required a system password before it 
would even let me see my password list.  Hard to see how that would affect RSA 
key passwords, but it may be additional password security in 10.12.2.  My X 
sessions are running fine but we don’t do RSA verification.

Rich

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Today's Topics:

  1. Terminal and keychain? (Weller, Robert A)
  2. Re: Terminal and keychain? (Brandon Allbery)
  3. Re: Terminal and keychain? (Weller, Robert A)
  4. Re: Terminal and keychain? (Brandon Allbery)
  5. Re: Terminal and keychain? (Tim Jenness)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:28:36 +0000
From: "Weller, Robert A" <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Terminal and keychain?
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Has something changed recently that would break the communication between the 
terminal and keychain when initiating an ssh session?

For as long as I can remember I have not had to manually unlock an RSA key, and 
suddenly across all of my machines this has become necessary. I tried an 
ssh-add -K and that seemed to work once, but later when I was going back to one 
of my remote machines, it once gain asked for the RSA key password.

I’m not sure that this is an appropriate question for this list, but if not, I 
really don’t know who to ask.

Thanks,
RW




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:33:29 -0500
From: Brandon Allbery <[email protected]>
To: "Weller, Robert A" <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Terminal and keychain?
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Weller, Robert A <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Has something changed recently that would break the communication between
> the terminal and keychain when initiating an ssh session?
> 
> For as long as I can remember I have not had to manually unlock an RSA
> key, and suddenly across all of my machines this has become necessary. I
> tried an ssh-add -K and that seemed to work once, but later when I was
> going back to one of my remote machines, it once gain asked for the RSA key
> password.
> 
> I’m not sure that this is an appropriate question for this list, but if
> not, I really don’t know who to ask.
> 

Did you change anything else? We already know that recent Sierra updates
changed the default configuration of ssh in ways that affected X11
forwarding; possibly they also disabled the agent by default, or caused it
to time out.

-- 
brandon s allbery kf8nh                               sine nomine associates
[email protected]                                  [email protected]
unix, openafs, kerberos, infrastructure, xmonad        http://sinenomine.net
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:53:00 +0000
From: "Weller, Robert A" <[email protected]>
To: Brandon Allbery <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Terminal and keychain?
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Thanks for the quick response.

No. No changes. I first noticed it on a brand new MacBook Pro, but I checked 
two other computers that have not had that stuff touched in ages and both of 
them are asking for the RSA key passwords as well. I set this up so long ago on 
these two machines that I would be hard pressed to remember what I did. This 
one is a 2012 MBP that I’m just replacing now. It’s my “research” machine. The 
other is my “home” machine. It’s an Air, but it’s also a couple of years old 
and very stable.

I don’t recall the last time that things worked as expected but it can’t have 
been longer ago than Monday, I think. I updated the OS yesterday and last night 
on all of these machines to 10.12.2. If I were a betting person, I’d bet that 
that broke it. I’ve got one other machine at home that I can check on that 
hasn’t been upgraded yet. I’m going to guess that it will be ok, although I use 
the terminal and ssh with it much less than with the three I just mentioned.

Bob

On 14-Dec-2016, at 14:33 , Brandon Allbery 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Weller, Robert A 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Has something changed recently that would break the communication between the 
terminal and keychain when initiating an ssh session?

For as long as I can remember I have not had to manually unlock an RSA key, and 
suddenly across all of my machines this has become necessary. I tried an 
ssh-add -K and that seemed to work once, but later when I was going back to one 
of my remote machines, it once gain asked for the RSA key password.

I’m not sure that this is an appropriate question for this list, but if not, I 
really don’t know who to ask.

Did you change anything else? We already know that recent Sierra updates 
changed the default configuration of ssh in ways that affected X11 forwarding; 
possibly they also disabled the agent by default, or caused it to time out.

--
brandon s allbery kf8nh                               sine nomine associates
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>                                 
 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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http://sinenomine.net<http://sinenomine.net/>

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:56:01 -0500
From: Brandon Allbery <[email protected]>
To: "Weller, Robert A" <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Terminal and keychain?
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Weller, Robert A <
[email protected]> wrote:

> last night on all of these machines to 10.12.2


That'd be the change I meant. Apple did something with ssh; possibly
including breaking its keychain integration :/

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brandon s allbery kf8nh                               sine nomine associates
[email protected]                                  [email protected]
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:07:56 -0700
From: Tim Jenness <[email protected]>
To: "Weller, Robert A" <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Terminal and keychain?
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Weller, Robert A <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks for the quick response.
> 
> I don’t recall the last time that things worked as expected but it can’t
> have been longer ago than Monday, I think. I updated the OS yesterday and
> last night on all of these machines to 10.12.2. If I were a betting person,
> I’d bet that that broke it.
> 

I discovered the same problem today just before your email arrived. I
updated from 10.12.1 to 10.12.2 last night. It was working fine yesterday.

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