Hi again,
I just took a look at the X.org <http://x.org/> site referenced in a reply
below. Chris Jones said:
> The X.Org
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> related ports are indeed more up to date there
>
I went to the downloads mirror and it looks like the most recent thing
downloadable is even older than XQuartz (unless I'm missing something):
https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/
<https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/>
I'll happily use whatever is newer that's out there, but even in the really old
stuff I came across I didn't see any simple installer. While I might flatter
myself a little and say I'm a techie, it looked like the X.org <http://x.org/>
stuff wasn't going to be easy to install. I'm looking for pretty much the same
sort of thing that XQuartz provides and I'd be thrilled if that came with
Mac-style windows that could be resized on all sides. Sadly, I'm just a user
(not a developer)...
I just don't know what I'm going to do when some future OS X update renders
XQuartz broken.
Regards,
Mick
> On 2018.0831, at 14:03, Cheng-Yang Tan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I have a few questions:
>
> If I run the xorg-server from macports, then
> Do I still have to start Xquartz?
> Does xorg-server have a window manager?
> Are there any instructions on how to run xorg-server? (I don't know where
> .xinitrc is on my Mac but are there any .x* files that need to be changed?)
> Thanks!
>
> cytan
>
>
> On Friday, August 31, 2018, 12:10:41 PM CDT, Langer, Stephen A. (Fed)
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> You meant "xorg-server", not "xors-server".
>
>
> Chris -- Can I hijack this thread to ask if you have any insight into a
> question which the macports and vtk lists haven't been able to answer: Is it
> possible to use OpenGL 3.2 on macOS, using mesa and X from MacPorts? mesa
> 17.1.6 ought to support OpenGL 4.5, but glxinfo (from macports) says it's
> only 2.1, and vtk requires at least 3.2.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Steve
>
>
> On 8/31/18, 12:53 PM, "X11-users on behalf of Christopher Jones"
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf
> of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
>
> On 31 Aug 2018, at 5:14 pm, David <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
> Jeremyhu is listed as the maintainer of xorg-server on MacPorts.
>
> does he spend more time working on that than XQuartz?
>
>
> I cannot comment on Jeremy’s intentions w.r.t. XQuartz, but he has (a couple
> times I think) mentioned on these mailing lists he was considering stopping
> XQuartz releases and focussing exclusively on the MacPorts versions as the
> primary distribution means.
>
>
> I can comment on MacPorts, as I am a member. The X.Org
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> related ports are indeed more up to date there, and whilst Jeremy is listed
> as the primary maintainer, there are a number of other interested parties
> (myself included) who also contribute. In fact there are a number of things
> ongoing right now looking to update a few X.Org
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> components. This is the big advantage compared to XQuartz, in that anyone
> who wants to can contribute to it within MacPorts. X11 is certainly not dead
> in MacPorts, and I do recommend anyone using the server to look to migrating
> to use the MacPorts supplied version (port name is xors-server).
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> David
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 4. Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? (Filhol Alain)
>
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:51:01 +0200
> From: Filhol Alain <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?
> Message-ID: <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Here the answer I got from Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia on 02 Feb 2017.
> I think we can be real pessimistic concerning X11 on macOS.
>
>
> [AF] A question about slow dialogues with OpenMotif and XQuartz (much slower
> than with Linux).
>
> [JHS] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> There is a known issue there, I believe with Yosemite and newer versions of
> macOS (maybe Mavericks+, maybe ElCap+, I forget exactly). The issue is below
> us in CoreGraphics and won't really be fixed on Apple's side as doing so
> would fix this case but cause bad performance penalties for every single
> other case out there. The real solution is to get XQuartz off of libXplugin
> and start using more modern macOS APIs (eg: finishing up libxcwm), but
> there's not really anyone actively working on that right now.
>
> [AF] Are you the only one involved in XQuartz developments ?
>
> [JHS] Yes, and I spend significantly less than 1% of my time on it ... barely
> enough to just pull in upstream changes, build, and ship.
>
> [AF] [...] but people are reluctant in using them on Macintoshes because of
> that problem of slowness.
>
> [JHS] If you're interested in working on the replacement, I can point you in
> the right direction. It's maybe 60% done ... all by a group of college
> seniors at PSU.
>
> --Jeremy
>
>
>
> Alain
>
>
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