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> On Sep 13, 2018, at 15:00, [email protected] wrote: > > Send X11-users mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of X11-users digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? (Cheng-Yang Tan) > > > > From: Cheng-Yang Tan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? > Date: September 12, 2018 at 20:21:20 EDT > To: Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <[email protected]> > Cc: Christopher Jones <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Hi Jeremy, > > What is > dd0b721c977e88d7c3830cc2a672c2793bca4fa0? > > cytan > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 2:10:51 PM CDT, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > That sounds like maybe the issue addressed in > dd0b721c977e88d7c3830cc2a672c2793bca4fa0. > > > On Sep 12, 2018, at 05:20, Cheng-Yang Tan <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hi Jeremy, > > Sorry for the late reply. The post ended up in my spam folder. > > > > The "xterm popping to the front problem" is described here and was filed > > as a bug report: > > > > 105754 – Problem with x11 windows popping up in front of Chrome an other > > apps > > > > 105754 – Problem with x11 windows popping up in front of Chrome an other... > > > > > > > > I had filed it March but for whatever reason it was marked as fixed. Is > > this the right place to file a bug report? > > > > Basically, the problem is that the xterm (which I installed from macports), > > would just pop up to the front without my intervention when browsing with > > Chrome and other apps. It is extremely annoying. > > > > There was a thread on this topic: > > > > https://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/2018/Mar/index.html > > <https://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/2018/Mar/index.html> > > > > > > titled "Problem with x11 windows popping in from Chrome and other apps" > > > > I hope you can have a look at it. > > > > Thanks! > > > > cytan > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:13:16 PM CDT, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 6, 2018, at 06:48, Cheng-Yang Tan <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > I’ve run the Xquartz from macports without uninstalling the old version > > > of Xquartz or doing loadctl or rebooting. My reason for upgrading is to > > > see if the new version fixes the xterm popping to the front problem. It > > > does not. Has anyone seen whether this new version fixes the pop up > > > problem or i have to reboot etc? > > > > By "the xterm popping to the front problem," do you mean the background app > > stealing focus bug? That was addressed in: > > > > commit dd0b721c977e88d7c3830cc2a672c2793bca4fa0 > > Author: Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Date: Tue Jul 18 21:35:49 2017 -0700 > > > > XQuartz: Hack around an issue that can occur on macOS due to background > > apps incorrectly stealing focus > > > > Works around <rdar://problem/7150340>. > > > > Tested-by: Martin Otte <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Tested-by: Tom Lane <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Signed-off-by: Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > which is included in MacPorts xorg-server port. > > > > > > > > > > cut an > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Monday, September 3, 2018, 4:16 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2018, at 11:09, Christopher Jones <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > HI > > > > > > > >> On 31 Aug 2018, at 7:03 pm, Cheng-Yang Tan <[email protected] > > > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I have a few questions: > > > >> > > > >> If I run the xorg-server from macports, then > > > >> • Do I still have to start Xquartz? > > > > > > > > You should first remove the XQuartz provided package. This might not be > > > > completely required, but avoids potential confusion as to which you are > > > > running. > > > > > > This isn't needed. My suggestion is to just make sure you have only one > > > startx LaunchAgent loaded. Use 'launchctl unload -w > > > /Library/LaunchAgents/...' for the one you want to disable (and then > > > logout/login. > > > > > > >> • Does xorg-server have a window manager? > > > > > > > > It provides a Application and window manager that works exactly the > > > > same way as XQuartz. Just log out and back in again and then whenever > > > > you need an X11 server the MP provided application will auto start. > > > > > > >> • Are there any instructions on how to run xorg-server? (I don't > > > >> know where .xinitrc is on my Mac but are there any .x* files that need > > > >> to be changed?) > > > > You can if you want manually start the Application (It installs in > > > > /Applications/MacPorts) but generally I find this is not required. I > > > > let it auto-start as required. > > > > > > Yes, MacPorts' X11 can be seen as just newer than what is packaged up by > > > XQuartz.org. In fact, one of my goals (hint hint if someone wants to > > > help contribute) is to replace our current build system with just using > > > MacPorts to build XQuartz. If that would happen, we could probably get > > > more frequent updates. > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > >> Thanks! > > > >> > > > >> cytan > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Friday, August 31, 2018, 12:10:41 PM CDT, Langer, Stephen A. (Fed) > > > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> You meant "xorg-server", not "xors-server". > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Chris -- Can I hijack this thread to ask if you have any insight into > > > >> a question which the macports and vtk lists haven't been able to > > > >> answer: Is it possible to use OpenGL 3.2 on macOS, using mesa and X > > > >> from MacPorts? mesa 17.1.6 ought to support OpenGL 4.5, but glxinfo > > > >> (from macports) says it's only 2.1, and vtk requires at least 3.2. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Thanks. > > > >> > > > >> -- Steve > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 8/31/18, 12:53 PM, "X11-users on behalf of Christopher Jones" > > > >> <[email protected] > > > >> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of > > > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 31 Aug 2018, at 5:14 pm, David <[email protected] > > > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Jeremyhu is listed as the maintainer of xorg-server on MacPorts. > > > >> > > > >> does he spend more time working on that than XQuartz? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I cannot comment on Jeremy’s intentions w.r.t. XQuartz, but he has (a > > > >> couple times I think) mentioned on these mailing lists he was > > > >> considering stopping XQuartz releases and focussing exclusively on the > > > >> MacPorts versions as the primary distribution means. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I can comment on MacPorts, as I am a member. The X.Org related ports > > > >> are indeed more up to date there, and whilst Jeremy is listed as the > > > >> primary maintainer, there are a number of other interested parties > > > >> (myself included) who also contribute. In fact there are a number of > > > >> things ongoing right now looking to update a few X.Org components. > > > >> This is the big advantage compared to XQuartz, in that anyone who > > > >> wants to can contribute to it within MacPorts. X11 is certainly not > > > >> dead in MacPorts, and I do recommend anyone using the server to look > > > >> to migrating to use the MacPorts supplied version (port name is > > > >> xors-server). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Chris > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> David > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, [email protected] > > > >> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> 4. Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? (Filhol Alain) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Message: 4 > > > >> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:51:01 +0200 > > > >> From: Filhol Alain <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > >> Subject: Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? > > > >> Message-ID: <[email protected] > > > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > >> > > > >> Here the answer I got from Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia on 02 Feb 2017. > > > >> I think we can be real pessimistic concerning X11 on macOS. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> [AF] A question about slow dialogues with OpenMotif and XQuartz (much > > > >> slower than with Linux). > > > >> > > > >> [JHS] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > >> There is a known issue there, I believe with Yosemite and newer > > > >> versions of macOS (maybe Mavericks+, maybe ElCap+, I forget exactly). > > > >> The issue is below us in CoreGraphics and won't really be fixed on > > > >> Apple's side as doing so would fix this case but cause bad performance > > > >> penalties for every single other case out there. The real solution is > > > >> to get XQuartz off of libXplugin and start using more modern macOS > > > >> APIs (eg: finishing up libxcwm), but there's not really anyone > > > >> actively working on that right now. > > > >> > > > >> [AF] Are you the only one involved in XQuartz developments ? > > > >> > > > >> [JHS] Yes, and I spend significantly less than 1% of my time on it ... > > > >> barely enough to just pull in upstream changes, build, and ship. > > > >> > > > >> [AF] [...] but people are reluctant in using them on Macintoshes > > > >> because of that problem of slowness. > > > >> > > > >> [JHS] If you're interested in working on the replacement, I can point > > > >> you in the right direction. It's maybe 60% done ... all by a group of > > > >> college seniors at PSU. > > > >> > > > >> --Jeremy > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Alain > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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