On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:35 PM Stefan Baur <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> wrote: > And that's the catch: If the application can't display the data - then > why would the user need access to it at all? chmod/chown it away from > them and you're good to go. But obviously the data is needed *somehow*, > or else they wouldn't have the problem of wanting to hide it from the user.
Well, there a things a user requires for the app to run but must now get into his hands. Think about a special plugin that does some calculation. Or think about a license file that he requires for his application to start. Believe me, license-wise you'll find the oddest conditions where chmod'ing them away is not an option (we had one license software that requires the user to have WRITE access to the license file...). > If it's raw data vs. processed data (e.g. points of data in a CSV file > vs. a graph generated from it), then (and only then) the solution is simple: > You need an app (a daemon, probably - though it might be done per-call > with passwordless sudo or the suid bit set on that app) that processes > the raw data and runs under another account, and another app that is > able to talk to this app, which can only display the processed data. > That way, you can use file system permissions to "wall off" the raw data > so only the processing app can access that data. Well, depending on the app this might be possible - or not. > > - the application cannot start other apps like an xterm or a shell on > > user request > > And that is particularly hard, as experience shows. Even a "file > chooser" dialog from a standard GUI toolkit that you use for selecting a > data file will usually offer you a right-click option with "execute". Well, I have not seen "execute" yet, but I have seen "open in file manager" and the like. This could be covered with SELinux. > Navigate to the xterm binary (path traversal via ../../../ and the like > is another problem to keep in mind, even if you're able to hide critical > directories from view) and there's your shell. > One such item that you forget about, and boom - you've been exploited. Like in every other situation you are not safe if there are bugs in the software. So this is - with the exception of the x2go code itself - negligible here. > > - there's only ssh access > > - the x2go scripts are sane and secure > > That's something I wouldn't want to bet my money on without an extensive > audit. And even then there's the risk that the audit missed to spot > something. Yes, that risk is always there. Putting your data at a network attached machines brings them to risk. You as the user decide if you are ready to take the risk or not. > > Then all we'd need was > > - a restricted ssh-key that only allows for the commands that are > > required for the x2go session handling > > Which doesn't work out of the box. You can specify exactly one command. > To be able to use more than one, you need a wrapper script on the host > that is set as forced command, which then parses $SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND. > These scripts are notoriously bad to maintain, error-prone, and while > they work with scripted commands (e.g. running an automated rsync job > with varying target directories), they suck hard for interactive use. Well, there's no interactive use here, it is just the session setup. I have written such scripts. It is doable. > To me, it sounds like a horrible kludge that is bound to collapse rather > sooner than later, and it would only offer a false sense of security. Well, as long as you know what your application can do and what not it should be handable. > Making false promises is something we should leave to the Microsoft > Windows world, I'd say. ;) ;-) > Given that bash is enforced there for a reason, it doesn't sound like a > good idea to replace it with something else. I have done some research. The reason is that before the scripts used /bin/sh which is unspecific and might point to other shells. As the scripts seem to use one or the other bashism this is problematic. Uli _______________________________________________ x2go-dev mailing list x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-dev
