Dear all. I am a newbie to xcsoar and so far very impressed with the
system and support.
I downloaded and now successfully tried it on my Samsung Charge mobil
phone. It is not as sunlight readable as a lot others I am sure but
better than the Ipaq 5150 utilizing WinPilot.
As the Charge is my primary cell phone I am considering a stand alone
Android device, perhaps one that has been a proven success.
My question ; is there a device that could connect hardwire direct
into my CAI 302 without any external device? ( I don't have great
success so far with blue tooth devices but who knows that could change).
Any word of wisdom appreciated.
PeterK
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3. Re: XCSoar exited mid-flight (Max Kellermann)
4. Re: Fwd: XCSoar exited mid-flight (Evan Ludeman)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:36:43 -0400
From: David Reitter <[email protected]
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Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] XCSOAR on 7" Android
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On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Mike Hostage wrote:
> I had a great flight Saturday with XCSOAR 6.3 running on a 7"
Android. I used the K6BT to port my CA301 to the program. My old
eyes like the larger 7" screen, over my current IPAQ 3955. The
problem is the terrible screen washout in the cockpit.
>
> I was wondering if others had found a 7" tablet computer with a
good, sunlight compatible screen?
As others said, consider living with a Dell Streak 5 rather than
the 7.
See here for a direct comparison of the Streak with the popular HP
iPAQ 310/314 and an iPhone 4:
http://www.davids-world.com/bigtrip/streak5_vs_ipaq310/index.html
(I also used to have older PDAs such as a Dell Axim x51v and
various Palms, which were all (apart from the very first Palm
Pilot) pretty much unreadable in our application. The 310 was the
first device I found readable in a glider, though its power
problems marred an otherwise useful piece of kit.)
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:40:41 -0700
From: Ramy Yanetz <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Fwd: XCSoar exited mid-flight
To: Max Kellermann <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
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Perhaps the auto rotation should be disabled by default. After all
what good will it do if the screen auto rotates when you bank hard?
Ramy
On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Max Kellermann <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> On 2012/04/24 17:16, Brunno Lopes <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> I've solved this by disabling the "screen auto rotation"
feature, to keep
>> the screen always on portrait or landscape position. During
flight, the
>> phone's position may change too fast and it seems to cause the
crash. Since
>> I disabled this feature, XCSoar has been very stable.
>
> That's a good hint - I have observed buggy graphics drivers on a lot
> of Android phones. Rotating the display is something that seems
> likely to trigger such a bug. I have seen this in Google Maps, too!
>
> If this is the cause of your problems, then this is not specific to
> XCSoar, and unfortunately there is nothing I can do to help.
There is
> no remedy other than getting a new Android version with updated
> drivers (which is impossible for most phones).
>
> In any case, write a bug report with a logcat, so we can confirm it
> (and document it).
>
> Max
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:49:27 +0200
From: Max Kellermann <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] XCSoar exited mid-flight
To: Tibor Arpas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]
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On 2012/04/24 15:05, Tibor Arpas <[email protected]
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> But most of the time I prefer stability and reliability over new
> featers in my gliding computer. Is that just my taste? What do the
> developers think about a "long term support" version?
We don't have the resources to maintain a second stable branch. It's
really boring work, 90% of which I have to do myself. Maintaining an
even older branch is just more boring, with only few users and no
future.
We try our best to keep one stable branch with regular bug fix
releases. We cannot ultimately preclude regressions.
Every one of you can help make XCSoar more stable by taking time and
test it with replays, verify calculations, and writing bug reports,
responding to questions we have. I'm glad that this works well
already.
Max
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:54:16 -0400
From: Evan Ludeman <[email protected]
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Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Fwd: XCSoar exited mid-flight
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Caught in the act, ticket #2034. If I need to use different
options for
the logfile, LMK.
-Evan
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Max Kellermann <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> On 2012/04/24 17:16, Brunno Lopes <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > I've solved this by disabling the "screen auto rotation"
feature, to keep
> > the screen always on portrait or landscape position. During
flight, the
> > phone's position may change too fast and it seems to cause the
crash.
> Since
> > I disabled this feature, XCSoar has been very stable.
>
> That's a good hint - I have observed buggy graphics drivers on a lot
> of Android phones. Rotating the display is something that seems
> likely to trigger such a bug. I have seen this in Google Maps, too!
>
> If this is the cause of your problems, then this is not specific to
> XCSoar, and unfortunately there is nothing I can do to help.
There is
> no remedy other than getting a new Android version with updated
> drivers (which is impossible for most phones).
>
> In any case, write a bug report with a logcat, so we can confirm it
> (and document it).
>
> Max
>
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:58:56 +0200
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On 24/04/2012 17:40, Ramy Yanetz wrote:
> Perhaps the auto rotation should be disabled by default. After
all what good will it do if the screen auto rotates when you bank
hard?
You would have to do a negative G manoeuvre, like a slow roll, to get
the display to rotate :-0.
Unless you are holding the device by hand in the cockpit, which is
probably not recommended.
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Max Kellermann<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>> On 2012/04/24 17:16, Brunno Lopes<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> I've solved this by disabling the "screen auto rotation"
feature, to keep
>>> the screen always on portrait or landscape position. During
flight, the
>>> phone's position may change too fast and it seems to cause the
crash. Since
>>> I disabled this feature, XCSoar has been very stable.
>>
>> That's a good hint - I have observed buggy graphics drivers on
a lot
>> of Android phones. Rotating the display is something that seems
>> likely to trigger such a bug. I have seen this in Google Maps,
too!
I have never managed to trigger an Android bug on my Dell by
rotating it
with XCSoar running - on the ground not in the air! So disabling
this is
not a feature that would be required on all devices.
Ian
PS: On a lighter note, maybe the USA competition rules committee
would
judge this to be a feature which "allows flight without reference
to the
ground" ;-)
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:30:25 +0100 (BST)
From: Sascha Haffner <[email protected]
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Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Fwd: XCSoar exited mid-flight
To: Ian <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>,
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Neither did I, not even during wave turbulence this Spring in the
mountains.? It seems to me that neither air turbulence?(at least
not the one you survive to tell about :-)) nor the bumps during
landing on a grassy field seem to trigger display rotation on my
Dell.? I assume the G loads are just to short.? Therefore, no
problem.? Luckily the Dell also doesn't crash when I force display
rotation on the ground.? But I shamefully admit, I didn't try
flying XC?inverted (yet) :-)
?
Keep up the great work.
?
Cheers
Sascha
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"I have never managed to trigger an Android bug on my Dell by
rotating it
with XCSoar running - on the ground not in the air! So disabling
this is
not a feature that would be required on all devices.
Ian"
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