I have found where the Moinmoin data is located (/srv/www.freedesktop.org/moin/data on annarchy.freedesktop.org). Could someone add me (takluyver) to the www-data group so I can investigate it further? Or you could make all that data world-readable.
On Sat, May 5, 2018, at 6:00 PM, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > I also stole about 30 sheets of toilet paper from a hotel a few weeks > ago. Please, someone explain property law to me! > > More seriously, it's clear that my proposed solution is not going to > fly, because we're taking copyright Very Seriously. Since we are taking > copyright Very Seriously, there are two problems: > > 1. No-one can copy code samples from the wiki, or redistribute > specifications or anything, because they don't have a license. This is > what the thread was originally about, and it seems like a pretty major > flaw for a body making interoperability specifications for open source > software. > 2. Whoever runs freedesktop.org is violating all the contributors' > copyright by redistributing the content they created, because you're not > asked to grant a license when you edit the wiki. > > Is anybody interested in fixing this? Do we even have a record of who > edited what before the wiki was migrated to its current form? > > If you think we can live with the ambiguous copyright situation as it > is, then you weren't really taking copyright law Very Seriously, you > were just picking an argument with me for trying to suggest a solution. > > Thomas > > On Sat, May 5, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Thomas U. Grüttmüller wrote: > > On 13.04.2018 13:11, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:> > > >> This isn't how copyright works, sorry. > > > > > > Thanks, I was aware of this. No, it doesn't strictly adhere to 'how > > > copyright works', but realistically, people who contribute to a freely > > > available wiki about open source software are not going to sue you for > > > putting an open source license on it. > > > > People might change their view on free software. > > > > People might also die, and their rights will be inherited by their heirs. > > > > > It's not even clear what they'd sue for: you can't lose revenue on wiki > > > content that is already accessible at zero cost. > > > > It does not matter. Copyright violation is a criminal offense, just like > > trespassing or slander. It does not matter for it to be forbidden, if > > the victim suffers financial damage or not. > > > > > As I said, this is something I have seen projects do. The Ubuntu wiki > > > underwent relicensing in 2011, for instance, with the wording in an email: > > > "In the absence of a substantial number of objections, this change will > > > be made to the Ubuntu wiki after approximately one month." > > > > This is dangerous for re-users of the work, because they rely on the > > license, but the license is invalid. So, without knowing, the re-user > > will do a copyright violation and might be sued. > > > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > > xdg mailing list > > xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > _______________________________________________ > xdg mailing list > xdg@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg _______________________________________________ xdg mailing list xdg@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg