In you original possting you [Konstantin Priblouda] said (about session bean) facades :
>It's not very usefull if you are working with >web-frontend, where you have to pull data on every >request anyway, but for swing applications, >where you need table/tree/combo models. Below you say > For JSP scenario I would prefer ( may be ) session > bean which generates data model for me, and render JSP > using it. I aint getting it. Isnt this a contradiction. What are you really advocating ? If I now have a JSP client (though you dont like it), whats the alternantive to a session facade ? Are you suggesting some special framework instead of using the standard (such as eg struts). Care to comment on the push and pull models respectively (or give a url) ? That was my original concern, the rest of your posting I essentially agree with (though I believe that patterns are real life project experience ;-) Regards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Konstantin Priblouda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lukas Severin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "xdoclet-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Xdoclet-user] Facades and value objects. > > > Thats how I thought this was generally done, in > > principle it means having an > > optimistic strategy for the unlikely event that some > > date are stale. By the > > way, isnt this what all pattern books suggests ? : > > Well, pattern books are pattern books, but there is > real life... > > > JSP -> BD -> Session facade > Entity Bean > > > > Whats the alternative ? > > > > (Sorry if this is getting off topic) > > Why offtopic? XDoclet is about generating patterns. > > Session facades are usefull to reduce remote > comminication with ejb container. But if you live in > same JVM, you can go through local, and save > invocation ( and coding ) overhead. > > For JSP scenario I would prefer ( may be ) session > bean which generates data model for me, and render JSP > using it. There could be several data models of > course... > > I would also prefer to deep-six JSP completely and use > velocity as HTML renderer - it's faster and easier to > use... > > I developed sessionfacade/remotefacade pair for my > swing application scenario, where I have a lot of > CRUD > stuff - which also need to be done... > > regards, > > ===== > Konstantin Priblouda ( ko5tik ) Freelance Software developer > < http://www.pribluda.de > < play java games -> http://www.yook.de > > < render charts online -> http://www.pribluda.de/povray/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Visual Studio.NET comprehensive development tool, built to increase your productivity. Try a free online hosted session at: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr0003en _______________________________________________ Xdoclet-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xdoclet-user
