On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:19:27AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:03:22PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 04:42:43PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 01:58:53PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:27:14PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes, that seems a good start. But yesterday you raised the 'fun' point
> > > > > of two globally ordered sequences connected by a single local link.
> > > >
> > > > The conclusion that I am slowly coming to is that litmus tests should
> > > > not be thought of as linear chains, but rather as cycles. If you think
> > > > of it as a cycle, then it doesn't matter where the local link is, just
> > > > how many of them and how they are connected.
> > >
> > > Do you have some examples of this? I'm struggling to make it work in my
> > > mind, or are you talking specifically in the context of the kernel
> > > memory model?
> >
> > Now that you mention it, maybe it would be best to keep the transitive
> > and non-transitive separate for the time being anyway. Just because it
> > might be possible to deal with does not necessarily mean that we should
> > be encouraging it. ;-)
>
> So isn't smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() exactly such a scenario? And would
> not someone trying to implement RCsc locks using locally transitive
> RELEASE/ACQUIRE operations need exactly this stuff?
>
> That is, I am afraid we need to cover the mix of local and global
> transitive operations at least in overview.
True, but we haven't gotten to locking yet. That said, I would argue
that smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() upgrades locks to transitive, and
thus would not be an exception to the "no combining transitive and
non-transitive steps in cycles" rule.
Thanx, Paul
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