On 2010-10-12 19.20, Jan Kiszka wrote: > Am 12.10.2010 14:56, Anders Blomdell wrote: >> On 2010-10-12 12.23, Anders Blomdell wrote: >>> On 2010-10-12 11.25, Anders Blomdell wrote: >>>> On 2010-10-11 18.58, Jan Kiszka wrote: >>>>> Am 11.10.2010 18:49, Gilles Chanteperdrix wrote: >>>>>> Jan Kiszka wrote: >>>>>>> Am 11.10.2010 18:23, Gilles Chanteperdrix wrote: >>>>>>>> Jan Kiszka wrote: >>>>>>>>> enabling the Xenomai watchdog should provide a reasonably safe&secure >>>>>>>>> environment. >>>>>>>> AFAIK, the BIG FAT warning at the bottom of this page still applies. >>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>> can make an environment with no hardware lockups, but secure, I do not >>>>>>>> think so. We do not know how Xenomai APIs could be exploited for a >>>>>>>> non-root user to become root. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For sure, no one audited the interface for security so far. There is no >>>>>>> hole in design that comes to my mind ATM, but I would be surprised as >>>>>>> well if you couldn't develop any exploit for some bug or missing check. >>>>>>> Still, there is a huge difference between giving anyone root access and >>>>>>> confining Xenomai access this way. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was just reacting to "reasonably secure". The experience proves that >>>>>> if you do not do any particular effort for security, then your code is >>>>>> not secure. Not even reasonably. >>>>> >>>>> This is no black-or-white domain, and I wouldn't say we spend no effort >>>>> on security at all. We do have interest in making the userspace APIs >>>>> robust which addresses security up to a certain level as well. >>>>> >>>>> What is still definitely not secure, though, is RTnet as it consequently >>>>> lacks any kind of check on user-passed addresses. But that's not >>>>> Xenomai's fault (rather mine). >>>> If I understand manpages and code correctly, xenomai is insecure by design >>>> (not >>>> a major problem here, I hope), but I had hoped to be able to avoid >>>> CAP_SYS_RAWIO >>>> which I think is the biggest security problem (access to /proc/kcore IS >>>> scary), >>>> but since CAP_SYS_NICE implies CAP_SYS_RAWIO via shadow.c: >>>> if (!capable(CAP_SYS_NICE) && >>>> (xn_gid_arg == -1 || !in_group_p(xn_gid_arg))) >>>> return -EPERM; >>>> >>>> wrap_raise_cap(CAP_SYS_NICE); >>>> wrap_raise_cap(CAP_IPC_LOCK); >>>> wrap_raise_cap(CAP_SYS_RAWIO); >>>> >>>> I will go for the group thing (simple and totally insecure) for now, and >>>> put >>>> some more thought into it later on. >>> Well, obviously this feature is somewhat broken: >>> >>>> testprog >>> Xenomai: binding failed: Cannot allocate memory. >>> >>> This is what syslog says: >>> Xenomai: testprog[2367] cannot map MAYDAY page >>> >>> Running as root works as it should. >> CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE fixes this issue (and how safe is that :-( ) > > This is not a Xenomai issue but a system misconfiguration. Installing > the Xenomai-provided udev scripts will fix it (ie. grant your Xenomai > group access to /dev/rtheap). http://www.xenomai.org/index.php/Non-root_RT needs to be fixed, since the rtheap/rtpipe.rules assumes that the group is named xenomai.
> >> >> How necessary are CAP_SYS_RAWIO and CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE [the two capabiltities i >> think have the most severe security implications] when main has started >> running, >> i.e. could I drop them after initialization and still do something useful? > > In the absence of user space drivers, you should be able to live without > CAP_SYS_RAWIO. Not sure, though, if there is a way to overcome > CAP_SYS_RAWIO for user space TSC access on ARM as Gilles mentioned. But > if that turns out to be the only remaining problem, making this > capability optional (at least on !=ARM) should be no big deal IMHO. OK, sounds like it's worth investigating further. I'm not after total security, but trying to make it harder for students to unintentionally breaking the [file-]system. /Anders -- Anders Blomdell Email: [email protected] Department of Automatic Control Lund University Phone: +46 46 222 4625 P.O. Box 118 Fax: +46 46 138118 SE-221 00 Lund, Sweden _______________________________________________ Xenomai-help mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/xenomai-help
