Ron Aaron wrote:
On Saturday 31 July 2010 23:25:24 Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:

I would start by looking at your comparison with \null, Ron :
if you look at TB, p.~351, you will see that \null is defined
as \hbox {}, which is a pretty unlikely value for a null mark.

Hi, Phil --

That turns out to be a red-herring -- since even:

\message{marks are \firstmark,\botmark^^J}

gives no joy...

Yes, the other clue is in your preceding message :

Yes, absolutely sure. I wonder if my problem stems from the "mark" being
inside a vbox?  If that's the problem, I don't know how I would get around it

See TB p.~259 : "Similarly. a \mark that occurs in internal vertical mode
goes into a \vbox, and it is not accessible in the main vertical list."

** Phil.


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