On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Christoph Wickert < [email protected]> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 08.03.2011, 21:00 +0100 schrieb Martin Sourada: > > On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:43:34 +0100 > > Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > Nevertheless I feel that upstream's panel layout still has room for > > > improvement, especially the bottom panel: It takes way too much space > > > but only has little use. > > > > > > Some toughs: > > > * Hide it automatically so it doesn't waste so much space. > > I believe that would confuse some users. It's probably better to not > > hide it be default, IMHO. > > +1. One more reason: The hide function didn't work properly, at least in > Xfce 4.6 the panel often remained on the screen after clicking a > launcher. > > > > * If we leave the height as is, we should at least add ore > > > buttons so it becomes more useful. > > Yeah, currently it is mostly nothing more then space eater. > > I think we all agree on that. > > > > * Only have a single panel. > > Only if there are not too many applets. I hate it when there is too > > little space left for tasklist. Plus, lately, systemtray tends to > > expand exponentially (volume control, ibus, network, power, various > > apps that can hide there, ...). This almost calls for having it on > > different panel than tasklist, IMHO. > > Let's see how much plugins we have. > > > > MUST have plugins: > > > * applications menu > > > * tasklist > > > * systemtray > > > * pager > > +1 for all > > > > > * a clock, I suggest datetime > > Personally I prefer orage. What we IMHO need is: short weekday + short > > date + hh:min displayed, in tooltip long date (with weekday) and on > > click calendar. > > I don't think we can ship these tweaks because they are in the panel's > rc files while we can only modify the default.xml file. Means we can > decide what plugins to use but not necessarily their configuration. > > Another reason to go with the default config is the fact that time and > date formats differ a lot based on the user's locale. We should just on > the plugin using proper defaults from the system. > > > Datetime seems to almost support this, but the layout > > is horrible (two lines are just too much for small panel). Orage on the > > other hand does not open the calendar beside the applet but in the > > centre of the screen. > > The position should be saved be xfwm4. I can put it where I want it, but > frankly speaking I dislike orage and never use it. > > > > * mixer > > Don't we have volume control (pulseaudio) in systemtray already? > > this is gnome-sound-applet and we want to get rid of it for several > reasons: > * it lacks the icon (bug 678696) > * it's GTK+3 and we don't have a fitting theme > * it's not supposed to be in the spin, in the latest nightly it's > no longer their because dependencies on the GNOME side have > changed. > > > Either > > way, since sound in fedora is best handled by pulseaudio, whatever > > mixer applet we have, it needs to be able to work with pa nicely, not > > just show master control for it... > > I think xfce4-mixer-plugin is ok for the panel where you only do Master > channel. The command to launch the mixer on click can be configured, so > we can even call pavucontrol from xfce4-mixer-plugin. > > > > SHOULD have plugins > > > * some launchers: browser, filemanager, terminal, mail client > > +1, maybe add music player and instant messaging to the lot > > These are problematic because we are configuring xfce4-panel not only > for the spin but the package itself. We cannot be sure if pidgin or > quodlibet are always installed. The launchers for browser, mail client, > filemanager and terminal on the other hand call exo-open, which is > always there and will open the apps set in exo-preferred-applications. > > > > * actions: lock screen, log out > > +1 > > we also could consider the session menu for this, it combines all the > commands and some more. > > For me the session menu didn't work really reliable! I would go for two separate buttons, one for locking the screen and one for calling the shutdown menu. > > > * show desktop > > I'm not sure, I've never used it, and people seem to complain both when > > it's there and it isn't :-D > > It's in the default config for quite a while, I think we should not > remove it. > > > > * folder menu > > Maybe too complex, does not integrate with bookmarks. Does not include > > mounted volumes. There does not seem to be a way to show text > > instead of/alongside the folder icon. I believe Places would work > > better. > > Ok, but ATM places unfortunately doesn't handle removable media > correctly either (bug 678432). > > > > * thrash > > Again, I don't incline either way here. I personaly use it, but it > > feels a bit like duplicating things when it's already present on > > desktop. > > Same as desktop I think. > > > > More suggestions? Let us hear them! > > Remove frames all the applets. It looks soo oldish. > > Not sure if we can do it. We'd have to patch all plugins because we > cannot provide the configuration for them and new plugins should also be > borderless by default. > > > Use start-here > > (themed) icon for applications menu, that's what they're people used > > from gnome and kde and maybe change the label (I don't recall from the > > top of my head what was there, but I changed it to Applications) to > > better suggest what it does. > > Good point, we had this in 4.6 and need to bring it back but I think it > requires a change in the fedora-logos package (because the icon we use > is in there and must be for legal reasons). > > > Consider weather applet, I don't have usability studies regarding that, > > but most people I know use something like that. Would be nice if the > > location could be synced with timezone like in gnome but that's a > > harder goal. The way it is now it wouldn't probably work out of box so > > maybe fix this issue first and then consider adding it. > > xfce4-weather-plugin uses the IP address to determine the location of > the user. But it doesn't really work 100% reliably and exact of course. > > > Plus, we *could* consider theming the panels a little instead of using > > just plain color, all the above listed applets seems to work with it > > nicely. > > I think this should go into the theme, just as the changes for the > desktop icons we proposed. The theme should provide styles for them in > it's gtkrc. > > Thanks for all your input, > Christoph > > _______________________________________________ > xfce mailing list > [email protected] > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce >
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