Hi, I like this a lot: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_d.png
It reminds me Fedora 14: http://www.linuxexpres.cz/uploads/gallery/original/4846.jpg Miro Hrončok Jabber: [email protected] Telefon: +420777974800 2012/6/28 Jayson Rowe <[email protected]>: > What's up everybody. > > I've debated this mail for a while - I'm the 'new kid' around these > parts, but in a short time I've developed quite a passion around > Fedora, and especially the Xfce spin. I've put some thought and > research into this, so thanks for humoring me and reading. > > As great as our spin is, I know it can be better. In reality anything > can be better - there should be a constant evolution of improvements. > I know as Xfce users, we are a smaller niche group from what would use > the default Desktop spin, or perhaps even the KDE spin. It is true, > however that Xfce is experiencing a spike in popularity lately. > > Now, although I've only recently finally made the full switch back to > Fedora (I used RHL and Fedora through Core2 before switching) I only > regret not coming back sooner. > > Now to the point at hand, how can we make Fedora's Xfce spin > first-class. I guess first, we have to define what *is* first class. I > loaded up different distros with Xfce in VM's and poked around, just > to see how they looked and felt, and my only real impressions were: > > a) many aspects of panel layout/themes are very much personal preference > > ---and--- > > b) sadly, every Xfce 'spin' I tried felt at least somewhat more > polished than Fedora's out-of-the box presentation in one way or > another... > > There are tons of screenshots on the web, but here are mine from my > VMs (with my thoughts for each). > > Xubuntu: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/xubuntu_12_04.png > > So - looks nice. Greybird is my favorite theme. The wallpaper has been > the same for at least 2, maybe 3 releases (I think, Charlie Kraviez > can correct me on this I'm sure as he was one the Xubuntu Project > Leader). > I never liked the 'auto-hide' dock...in fact, I generally hate the > 'extra' Xfce panel anyway. The Icons look nice, all of the icons in > the system tray match, everything looks smooth, integrated and blends > together. > > Sabayon 9: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/sabayon_9.png > Although not really a 'mainstream' distro, I really only loaded it up > out of curiosity to see what they had done w/ Xfce since most of the > reviews and stuff online focus on the GNOME and KDE spins of this > distro. I actually kinda like what they did. A 2 panel layout that > could easily appeal to GNOME2 refugees, but still different from a > GNOME2 layout. Again, nice icons, although everything doesn't match as > nicely as in Xubuntu, still looks pretty polished. The default theme > is nice (looks to be custom to the distro, perhaps) and the use the > default Xfce window decorations. > > openSUSE 12.2 (Beta): > In terms of competition for similar user-bases, I would think of > openSUSE and Fedora to have the two most similar potential user bases. > I like the single panel layout, although the icons seems stock Xfce, > they look nicely integrated. The mixer applet on the panel (Gmixer) > doesn't seem to be in our repos, but the icon for it looks nicer than > the faded icon w/ the blue half-circles we have w/ the default Xfce > mixer applet. They are using Adwaita for a GTK theme, and a custom > window decoration (that seems closely based on the default Xfce > decorations). > > Linux Mint Debian Edition: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/linux_mint_debian_edition.png > I find the GTK theme a little too 'white' (along w/ the default > wallpaper), but both the theme and window decorations seem to be > modified versions of Greybird. Green (aka Mint) icons, but all of the > icons match, look nicely integrated, and the system tray icons match, > except for using the same mixer icon we use.\ > > And now, we all know the default Fedora 17 look: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_default.png > Here I will point out mainly what I don't like: First, I don't like > the borders around the clock and notification area...just looks > unfinished to me. I also wish the Applications Menu icon were the > Fedora logo. I think the Adwaita theme works well (supports GTK3), but > the Nodoka window decorations look dated. I hate the mixer icon, but > like the rest of the 'Fedora' icon set. > > This next screenshot is how *I* would improve the look we have now, > sticking with a same/similar layout: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_a.png > Changes? The Fedora logo for the Applications Menu, no borders around > the clock and notification area, and the default Xfce window > decoration. Before I took this screenshot, I also ugraded to 4.10, and > added the 'Action Buttons' plugin to the panel. > > Next, I simply eliminate a *personal* pet peeve - the second, bigger > panel that doesn't take up the entire width of the screen. It seems > wasteful to me (especially with maximized windows). I also reduced the > top panel to 24px.: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_b.png > > The next layout would appeal to GNOME 2 refugees: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_c.png > A second (24px) panel is added back, and a places applet displaying > label only is added to the top panel. Reduced the text of the App menu > button to just display 'Applications'. This layout looks very much > like GNOME2 (to me anyway). > > Next, is a layout similar to what openSUSE had: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_d.png > A single bottom panel, 24px. > > Finally, is basically what I'm using: > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_e.png > It's the same as the last layout, but using Greybird and the > Elementary icon theme. For my personal use, I'm still a little torn > between this and Adwaita, however I think the Elementary icon theme > looks SO much nicer, even that ugly mixer icon is fixed ;-) It just > looks more polished and integrated. I know everyone doesn't like the > darker grey panel look/menus etc... > > So...now that I've said all of that what do you think? Like I said, I > was torn about jumping in as a new guy with suggestions, but I figured > why not...the worst y'all could do is say 'go away, your bothering > me'...so I did it. > Other thoughts I've had is, what other things do we do as a 'SIG'. I > noticed an e-mail from Rex Dieter to fedora-devel speaking of a KDE > SIG meeting - have we as a SIG ever had IRC meetings? Would there be > any value? Would anyone attend? Since I'm just now jumping in, has > there been other recent discussion I've missed about plans for F18? I > know Kevin has spoken of moving to LightDM, and has included Greybird > as being installed by default in the spin for F18. > > I'm not looking to ruffle feathers, just get discussion going and make > Fedora 18's Xfce spin even more awesome. > > Thanks for reading! > Jayson > -- > -jayson > _______________________________________________ > xfce mailing list > [email protected] > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce _______________________________________________ xfce mailing list [email protected] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
