Glad to see Abiword will be kept.  I still use Abiword and Gnumeric
regularly because I can depend on these programs to just work.  Sure they
have some not show stopping issues/bugs which will likely never be resolved
but they are lighting fast.  And none of my time is wasted on changes which
I may or may not like which keeps me focused on my work instead the text
editor and spreadsheet.  If I need a "missing" feature, I use Libre or
Google.

On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 3:46 AM fetch via xfce <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think most of the things I was hoping to get done for F42 are complete:
>
> * The updated screenshot is now live! https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce
>
> * While Abiword is technically in F42, it seemed like a better idea (and
> a good time) to just switch to libreoffice-writer/calc. Sorry for the
> back and forth on this; it seemed a bit easier/more consistent to just
> go with programs that are already maintained well in Fedora rather than
> redoing all the work for Abiword's new upstream (I'm not a package
> maintainer anyway). The switch for F42+ was done here:
> https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/1086#
>
> * * I've also updated the https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce page with
> the libreoffice changes and some minor edits to improve consistency
> between the spins, but those wont go live until F42 is released:
>
> https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/cms/fedoraproject.org/-/merge_requests/96
>
> * Wiki additions are done
>
> * * I've added a section for testing Wayland here:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce#Testing_Wayland.
>
> * * The details about the LiveCD and its creation have also been
> updated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive
>
>
> Thanks everyone for your help! Looking forward to F42 :)
>
> Sean
>
> FAS:seaninspace
>
> On 2/7/25 2:13 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Small update:
> >
> > * I've submitted the new screenshot to the CMS, needs to be
> > approved/published I suppose:
> >
> https://fedora.gitlab.io/websites-apps/fedora-websites/cms/fedoraproject.org/admin/#/workflow
> >
> > * RE the writer; turns out abiword is in F42 and is still being
> > maintained here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/AbiWord. I've
> > submitted a request to have it re-added to the xfce-office group here:
> > https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/1081#
> >
> > * I'll work on more wiki additions, but anyone else is more than
> > welcomed to as well :) Here are two additions I think we can add:
> > * * How to test Wayland (from starting with a fresh install onward):
> > https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap#testing
> >
> > * * Details on how the Live CD is created with Kiwi. I haven't figured
> > out exactly how that is all done, but this seems like a good spot to
> > start https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KiwiBuiltCloudImages
> >
> > Thanks to Kevin for the help, and for your suggestion Benyamin! I had
> > no idea the whisker menu developer had made something like that! I'm
> > not trying to be biased towards Abiword (though I personally like the
> > speed/simplicity of abiword), it just seems like the path of least
> > resistance to get back a writer, so I'm happy to support whatever
> > people feel like is best!
> >
> > Thanks for all your help and thoughts!
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > FAS:seaninspace
> >
> > On 2/7/25 1:33 PM, Benyamin Limanto via xfce wrote:
> >>
> >> Or probably focus writer from the developer of whisker menu of xfce?
> >>
> >> I think now days office is big tbh..
> >>
> >> As gnome doesn't have office, and xfce does not build one. 😂
> >>
> >> I do agree Libreoffice is too big in an ISO for xfce. 😂
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Benyamin Limanto
> >> sent from my 红米十二 Pro
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 19:27 Benyamin Limanto <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Hello all.
> >>
> >>     Just curious to ask, will you all consider move using markdown
> >>     editor like Marker instead of abiword format documents?
> >>
> >>     Or it's not good migration path for xfce spins?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Regards,
> >>     Benyamin Limanto
> >>     sent from my 红米十二 Pro
> >>
> >>     On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 01:51 Kevin Fenzi via xfce
> >>     <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>         On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:56:17PM +0000, fetch via xfce wrote:
> >>         > Hi all!
> >>
> >>         hello!
> >>
> >>         > XFCE 4.20 is in Fedora 42, woo! I was thinking this would
> >>         be a good time to
> >>         > do some TLC on the website/docs.
> >>
> >>         Awesome. Thanks for taking that on.
> >>
> >>         > For instance:
> >>         >
> >>         > * Update the spins (https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce)
> >>         page with a more
> >>         > recent screenshot and update the list of installed
> applications
> >>
> >>         This can be done via
> >>
> https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/fedora-websites-3.0/
> >>         ask in #websites:fedoraproject.org <http://fedoraproject.org>
> >>         for help.
> >>         >
> >>         >   * * Abiword is no longer included, for example. Should we
> >>         switch that and
> >>         > Gnumeric to LibreOffice? I personally quite like Gnumeric,
> >>         so maybe find an
> >>         > alternate writer?
> >>
> >>         Yeah, we have resisted including libreoffice due to it's
> >>         large size, but
> >>         we could just do that. :(
> >>
> >>         >   * * I've made a screenshot from Fedora 42 Rawhide
> >>         20250204.n.0 in the same
> >>         > spirit as the current example:
> >>         >
> >>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_2025-02-06_14-18-50.png'.
> >>         I
> >>         > can add that if someone wouldn't mind reminding me how to
> >>         update the
> >>         > spins.fedoraproject.org <http://spins.fedoraproject.org>
> >>         page (:
> >>
> >>         See above. ;)
> >>
> >>         > * I've also edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce
> >>         (only for English,
> >>         > sorry :/). If you happen to glance over it let me know if
> >>         I've missed
> >>         > anything!
> >>
> >>         Might replace the yum calls to dnf?
> >>         and add a bit about testing on wayland in 4.20?
> >>
> >>         > * I think updating the Live CD page
> >>         > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive) might
> >>         be a good idea as
> >>         > I heard other spins are moving to kiwi for their image
> >>         generation; might be
> >>         > handy to include the new stuff (:
> >>
> >>         Yeah, Xfce has actually already moved to kiwi also. ;)
> >>
> >>         kevin
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