On 10/22/25 8:18 AM, Mike Williams via xfce wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025 at 3:56 AM ToddAndMargo via xfce <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
 >
 > Hi All.
 >
 > Fedora 43
 >
 > This does not seems to find the Xfce4's group any more:
 >       # dnf group list | grep -i xfce
 >
 > It use to show "Xfce Desktop".
 >
 > What is the proper command?
 >
 > @xfce-desktop-environment does exist.  But how to show it
 > with "dnf list"?
 >
 > There are two options you should know about:

--hidden and --with-optional

--hidden will list hidden groups

dnf group list --hidden | grep -i xfce
Updating and loading repositories:
Repositories loaded.
xfce-apps                    Applications for the Xfce Desktop no
xfce-desktop                 Xfce                              no
xfce-extra-plugins           Extra plugins for the Xfce panel  no
xfce-media                   Multimedia support for Xfce       no
xfce-office                  Xfce Office                       no
xfce-software-development    Xfce Software Development         no
critical-path-xfce           Critical Path (Xfce)

You may also need to add --with-optional to the group install command
sudo dnf5 group install "xfce-desktop" --with-optional

Mike


Hi Mike,

That did the trick.  I wonder why it is optional?

And dnf no longer likes --with-optional with list,
only with group install/

@xfce-desktop-environment still does not show up.

Thank you!

-T


$ dnf group list --hidden  --with-optional | grep -i xfce
Unknown argument "--with-optional" for command "list". Add "--help" for more information about the arguments. The argument is available for commands: group install. (It has to be placed after the command.)

$ dnf group list --hidden  | grep -i xfce
Updating and loading repositories:
Fedora 43 - x86_64 - Updates 100% | 53.2 KiB/s | 31.7 KiB | 00m01s
Repositories loaded.
xfce-apps Applications for the Xfce Desktop yes xfce-desktop Xfce yes xfce-extra-plugins Extra plugins for the Xfce panel yes xfce-media Multimedia support for Xfce yes xfce-office Xfce Office yes xfce-software-development Xfce Software Development no critical-path-xfce Critical Path (Xfce) no


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