Got ya - that makes sense to me now.  I wonder what all of the other
somewhat similar problems have been?  Possibly all different problems?

Sorry for the double post - funky DSL connection here.

Jeff

--------- Original Message --------
From: xmail@xmailserver.org
To: xmail@xmailserver.org <xmail@xmailserver.org>
Subject: [xmail] R: Re: R: Re: Problems with hotmail.com
Date: 07/04/05 20:47

> Hawaii eh, lucky you, wish we had this conversation over there with a =
> maitai
> on the table. ;)=20
> 
> I think it's not windows but hardware related problem because Edinilson =
> had
> an exact twin server to test and it worked, although we had to recompile
> xmail.
> This excludes dns, blacklist, rdns, exchange, firewall and of course =
> windows
> and xmail.
> 
> He's problem is unique as far as I know, my previous post was just there =
> to
> clear this out.
> 
> Why hardware problem? Because I have a few boxes with intel xeon-64 bit =
> cpu
> that had very strange network time-outs, at the end it was a cisco pix =
> issue
> with EMT64 chips. But still they don't behave as I would like.
> 
> The other problems seem similar but at the end it turns out to be a dns
> issue with packet size larger than 512, or something like that.
> 
> Dario
> 
> 
> 
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =
> Per
> conto di Jeff
> Inviato: venerd=EC 8 aprile 2005 18.50
> A: xmail@xmailserver.org
> Oggetto: [xmail] Re: R: Re: Problems with hotmail.com
> 
> Thanks for the reminder about what Edinilsons original problem was - I =
> am in
> Hawaii on vacation and so don't have the old emails to reference for the
> thread!
> 
> I don't remember seeing any more than 1 reference to a non-windows =
> system
> having anything similar to this problem (a Linux system) and that mail =
> had
> only a very small amount of info (just a connection timeout to MSN as I
> recall) - why do you think Windows is no longer a possibly related =
> element
> to the problem?
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong here, but overwhelmingly the people that seem to be =
> having
> this problem have Windows, often they seem to be running Exchange, and =
> often
> they seem to be from Brazil (just an observation - I love Brazil!).  =
> Don't
> you think looking for the common thread might be helpful in resolving =
> ehats
> going on?
> 
> I also think that a lot of the mails abou this may not even be related - =
> a
> timeout error is common and vrey general - Ednilsons problem is the only =
> one
> that has been analyzed (as I recall) to this degree - just having a =
> problem
> sending to MSN or Hotmail doesn't necessarily make it the same problem, =
> or
> am I wrong here?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: xmail@xmailserver.org
> To: xmail@xmailserver.org &lt;xmail@xmailserver.org&gt;
> Subject: [xmail] Re: R: Re: Problems with hotmail.com
> Date: 07/04/05 18:18
> 
> &gt; Exactly, I agree with everything.
> &gt;=20
> &gt; Davide, if you want, send me a debug version of Xmail and I will put
=
> it in
> 
> &gt; the production server.
> &gt;=20
> &gt; Edinilson
> &gt; ---------------------------------------------------------
> &gt; ATINET-Professional Web Hosting
> &gt; Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876
> &gt; http://www.atinet.com.br
> &gt;=20
> &gt;=20
> &gt; ----- Original Message -----=20
> &gt; From: &amp;quot;Dario&amp;quot; &amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&amp;gt;
> &gt; To: &amp;lt;xmail@xmailserver.org&amp;gt;
> &gt; Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 11:36 AM
> &gt; Subject: [xmail] R: Re: Problems with hotmail.com
> &gt;=20
> &gt;=20
> &gt; Seems like this thread takes those blu pills ;)
> &gt;=20
> &gt; ErrCode =3D -232
> &gt; ........
> &gt; SMTP-Error =3D &amp;quot;417 Temporary delivery error&amp;quot;
> &gt; SMTP-SERVER =3D &amp;quot;mx1.hotmail.com&amp;quot; &amp;lt;--
whatever you get =
> here, if
> this is the
> &gt;                                     right mx for the domain, DNS is =
> not
> &gt; the problem.
> &gt;=20
> &gt; From what I've seen with Edinilson the two server establish a tcp/ip
> &gt; session:
> &gt; -&amp;gt; xmail contacts mx1.hotmail.com
> &gt; -&amp;gt; mx1.hotmail.com sends 220 greeting
> &gt; -&amp;gt; the connection time outs
> &gt;=20
> &gt; We didn't have time to continue investigating but the question is:
> &gt; why the connection time outs?
> &gt; - not because of ip blacklists, he can send from the same cidr
> &gt; - not because of xmail, it works for other domains
> &gt; - seems like also windows is out of the case now
> &gt;=20
> &gt; Note that the connection from xmail side *time outs*, is not dropped
=
> by
> &gt; hotmail.com which is waiting for a HELO/EHLO.
> &gt;=20
> &gt; It's just my opinion but who has this problem should:
> &gt; - bypass any firewall, ...
> &gt; - compile xmail on the same server you will use.
> &gt;=20
> &gt; If the problem persists, and if you have time and equipment:
> &gt; - get a very normal pc with normal hardware, setup xmail exactly the
=
> same
> &gt; way and use the same ip of the main server.
> &gt;=20
> &gt; If this works you have some hardware related problem.
> &gt;=20
> &gt; I know someone will say hw error, no way? How could this happen just
=
> for
> &gt; some domains and just on some servers?
> &gt; The answer would be very long but summarizing, curiosity.
> &gt;=20
> &gt; Dario
> &gt;=20
> &gt;=20
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