On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:49:36 +0100 Daniel Vetter <daniel.vet...@ffwll.ch> said:
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 2:54 AM Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:27:04 +0100 Daniel Vetter <daniel.vet...@ffwll.ch> > > said: > > > > Might I suggest that given the kind of expenses detailed here, literally > > buying 1 - 4 reasonably specced boxes and hosting them at OSUOSL would be > > incredibly cheaper? (we (enlightenment.org) have been doing so for years on > > a single box). We farm out CI to travis via gihub mirrors as it's not > > considered an essential core service (unlike mailing lists, git, > > phabricator whch nwe still run - we can live without CI for a while and > > find other ways). > > > > The cost is the odd HDD replacement every few years and maybe every 10y or > > so a new box. That's a massively lower cost than you are quoting below. > > > > OSUOSL provide bandwidth, power, rack space etc. for free. They have been > > fantastic IMHO and the whole "no fat bills" is awesome and you get a full > > system to set up any way you like. You just bring the box. That should drop > > cost through the floor. It will require some setup and admin though. > > We've moved away from this setup (all other fd.o services run like > this) because in a volunteer run org with volunteer admins, admin time > is a premium. So if we'd go the physical boxes route we could indeed > cut a lot of hosting costs. But we'd need to get a paid admin from > somewhere to keep the lights on. Aside from the money needed this has > the problem that X.org has zero experience with contractors, and SPI > as our fiscal sponsor also only just started with one part time > contractor. > -Daniel for the kind of money you are mentioning a "1-2 day per week" contractor might work. we had a volunteer admin and it didn't work out due to them simply not having the time anymore so i understand the problem. it's why i moved to simplify setup so it's maintainable with much less effort. :) > > > Hi all, > > > > > > You might have read the short take in the X.org board meeting minutes > > > already, here's the long version. > > > > > > The good news: gitlab.fd.o has become very popular with our > > > communities, and is used extensively. This especially includes all the > > > CI integration. Modern development process and tooling, yay! > > > > > > The bad news: The cost in growth has also been tremendous, and it's > > > breaking our bank account. With reasonable estimates for continued > > > growth we're expecting hosting expenses totalling 75k USD this year, > > > and 90k USD next year. With the current sponsors we've set up we can't > > > sustain that. We estimate that hosting expenses for gitlab.fd.o > > > without any of the CI features enabled would total 30k USD, which is > > > within X.org's ability to support through various sponsorships, mostly > > > through XDC. > > > > > > Note that X.org does no longer sponsor any CI runners themselves, > > > we've stopped that. The huge additional expenses are all just in > > > storing and serving build artifacts and images to outside CI runners > > > sponsored by various companies. A related topic is that with the > > > growth in fd.o it's becoming infeasible to maintain it all on > > > volunteer admin time. X.org is therefore also looking for admin > > > sponsorship, at least medium term. > > > > > > Assuming that we want cash flow reserves for one year of gitlab.fd.o > > > (without CI support) and a trimmed XDC and assuming no sponsor payment > > > meanwhile, we'd have to cut CI services somewhere between May and June > > > this year. The board is of course working on acquiring sponsors, but > > > filling a shortfall of this magnitude is neither easy nor quick work, > > > and we therefore decided to give an early warning as soon as possible. > > > Any help in finding sponsors for fd.o is very much appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, Daniel > > > -- > > > Daniel Vetter > > > Software Engineer, Intel Corporation > > > +41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch > > > _______________________________________________ > > > xorg-devel@lists.x.org: X.Org development > > > Archives: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel > > > Info: https://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-devel > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > -- > Daniel Vetter > Software Engineer, Intel Corporation > +41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch > _______________________________________________ > xorg-devel@lists.x.org: X.Org development > Archives: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel > Info: https://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-devel > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ xorg-devel@lists.x.org: X.Org development Archives: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel Info: https://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-devel