What money disapearing into Brazil banking system? On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Steffen Schaumburg < stef...@schaumburger.info> wrote:
> On 22/02/10 18:18, Franco Catrin L. wrote: > > El vie, 19-02-2010 a las 07:57 +0800, Jaya Kumar escribió: > > > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Daniel Stone <dan...@fooishbar.org> > wrote: > >> > >>> $US24k for travel sponsorship (no joke), and something like $US5k lost > >>> to PayPal (they decided we were scammers and took our money) as well as > >>> around $US5k that vanished into the Brazilian banking system, which > >>> > >> That is scary, USD$10k gone! I'm surprised that no one raised this > >> issue into a big public complaint, or maybe someone already did and I > >> just didn't notice. I'm not familiar with the US legal system, but > >> surely there is a small claims court where one can quickly assert a > >> claim and put the burden of an honest response on Paypal? > >> > > The US legal system is prone to this type of abuse. > > > > I wrote an article about this situation in a well known spanish blog > > [*], may be someone can do the same in english. > > > > I don't think that it would help the Foundation get back the money, but > > at least it may help to take this abuse into public knowledge > > > I completely agree. I'll spare you my opinion of the US criminal justice > system, but this is a clear case of organised theft (or fraud or > embezzlement - IANAL) whether or not it is possible to get a conviction. > There's two key points to consider: > - eBay (owners of Paypal) will continue these crimes without a doubt - > why shouldn't they? > - Many free software projects/developers use or will use eBay/Paypal to > receive donations/payments - and eBay will inevitably steal from some of > these. Whilst Xorg survived relatively unscathed with the $5k missing > most projects would be hurt BADLY if they got their donations account > stolen. > > I propose the following actions: > - Unless it's definitely a complete waste of time civil as well as > criminal charges should be brought by Xorg against eBay, as far as this > is possible without undue costs or risks to Xorg. Remember - just > because the contract says that eBay can steal doesn't mean it's not a > crime if they actually do it. Laws supersede contracts. > - Information about this (especially emails from eBay "support") should > be made public and should be publicised, e.g. by emails to this list, > the Xorg Wiki (on that note - there's actually a suggestion on there to > use Paypal to donate to Xorg devs...), etc. Due to the particularly > despicable nature of the crime (what kind of a sick perverted bastard > steals from a charity?) and the likely negative effect on other related > projects I'd go as far as putting a link or banner about this right on > the front page. > > Cheers, Steffen > > PS: Bear in mind that my choice of words may not be the best if one is > concerned about lawsuits by eBay for e.g. slander ;) > _______________________________________________ > xorg mailing list > xorg@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
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