Hi John,

Thanks again. PH was 5.2. I've tested it as you suggested. All tables are read 
in, and the format of the observed chemical shift is correct. Here is part of 
the output:

 --------------- cycle=     1 --------------------------------------------------
 | Etotal =8430.601   grad(E)=5.111      E(CARB)=8430.601                      |
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 X-PLOR>
 X-PLOR>  carbon print threshold = 0.0 end
The following Ca or Cb delta secondary
shifts are greater than the cutoff:
(Ca) (obsCa) (rcoilCa) (obsdeltaCa) (calcdeltaCa) (deltadeltaCa)
     (obsCb) (rcoilCb) (obsdeltaCb) (calcdeltaCb) (deltadeltaCb)
class ALL
A   2   CYS CA   59.40************ -0.72****** 26.70************  2.39******
A   4   LEU CA   56.75 55.10  1.65************ 44.05 42.30  1.75************
A   5   VAL CA   62.40 62.30  0.10 -0.31 -0.41 34.97 32.10  2.87  0.72 -2.15
A   6   ALA CA   50.50 52.30 -1.80************ 21.65 19.00  2.65************
A   7   SER CA   56.90 58.20 -1.30 -1.27  0.03 66.10 63.20  2.90  1.38 -1.52
A   8   ASN CA   55.50 52.90  2.60************ 37.10 37.90 -0.80************
A   9   LEU CA   57.90 55.10  2.80  2.98  0.18 42.40 42.30  0.10 -0.29 -0.39
A   10  ASN CA   53.60 52.90  0.70************ 38.40 37.90  0.50************
A   11  LEU CA   55.90 55.10  0.80 -1.85 -2.65 44.00 42.30  1.70  1.91  0.21
A   15  GLU CA   56.80 56.40  0.40 -1.63 -2.03 33.70 29.70  4.00  1.89 -2.11
... etc.

It seems that in some cases the program cannot determine calcdeltaCa/Cb. Why 
and what should I do about it?
Also, how should I deal with Cys and His?

Thank you,
Irina.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Kuszewski 
  To: Irina Nesmelova 
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [Xplor-nih] carbon chemical shift error


  Hi Irina,


  Are you sure you read in the random coil shift table and the 13C shift 
expectation table?  It's lines 106-124 of sa_mef_dipo.inp.  


  Also, make sure your observed shift table's format follows the example for 
mef--
  ASSIgn <five selections, for C(i-1), N(i), CA(i), C(i), and N(i+1), in that 
order>  <Ca shift in ppm> <Cb shift in ppm>


  Finally, are you samples taken at some extreme pH?  That would throw off the 
random coil values a bit, which would prevent the code from determining the 
observed secondary shifts correctly.  


  You should be able to create a small script that tests all of this:


  struct @myprot.psf end


  carb
     phistep 180
     psistep 180
     nres <a number bigger than the number of residues>
     class all
     force 0.5
     potential harmonic
     @C13SHIFTS:rcoil_c13.tbl
     @C13SHIFTS:expected_edited_c13.tbl
     @myobservedshifts.tbl
  end


  flags exclude * include carb end
  energy end
  stop


  The output from this should be small enough for you to notice any error 
messages that pop up.  


  Hope this helps.  Let me know if it doesn't!


  --JK


  On Jan 17, 2008, at 8:54 PM, Irina Nesmelova wrote:


    Hi John,

    Thank you for your reply. That is exactly what I have asked. And the reason 
for this question is that I don't see the difference in CARB energy term if I 
change the potential from harmonic to square. The energy is very high 
(~9000-10000). I am using the script from mef-dna example (sa_mef_dipo.inp) Is 
there some other parameters I have to change?
    Thank you,
    Irina.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: John Kuszewski 
      To: Irina Nesmelova 
      Cc: xplor-nih at nmr.cit.nih.gov 
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:37 PM
      Subject: Re: [Xplor-nih] carbon chemical shift error


      Hi, 


      I presume you're asking about the CARBonshift energy term.


      Do you mean you want to define an error in your observed Ca or Cb 
chemical shifts?  If so, you can't.  The term's accuracy in predicting carbon 
shifts from backbone torsion angles is rather low (~ 1ppm, if I remember 
correctly) compared to the accuracy of measurement of Ca and Cb chemical 
shifts, so there's no point in defining a squarewell that way.  


      Rather, the carbonshift's squarewell potential works by comparing the 
difference between observed and expected shift values relative to the known 
accuracy of the prediction surface at each point.  These accuracies are 
recorded in the same table as the expected secondary chemical shifts.


      So all you need to do is turn on the square well potential shape by 
calling CARBon SQUArewell, and you're all set.  


      If I've misunderstood your question, forgive me.


      --JK


      On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Irina Nesmelova wrote:


        Hello,

        How can I input the error for carbon chemical shift?
        Thank you,
        Irina.
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