On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:53:00 -0700 Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks, I do hope we can keep this one on track as it's an important > discussion +1 > > I have a few doubtful thoughts on exploratory testing. How do we motivate > > people to run exploratory testing with the development version, while it is > > not ready for production, or day-to-day environments? If the tests aren't > > run on/as your main system, how can the testing be natural enough to be of > > exploratory nature? How do we specify a good balance between feature and > > exploratory testing? > > I think what we'd struggle with is not people being unwilling to do > the testing, as we know there are lots of people who do actually run > development versions since we're always hearing feedback about how > stable it is :) I think the issue is connecting them with bug > reporting and other mechanisms for reporting results. I think if we > even got feedback given via the mailing list it would be helpful. Not > sure how to make this easier for people. I've been running development versions on my daily workstation for basically as long as I've contributed to Xubuntu. I can't remember a cycle where things were so badly broken by an upgrade that it was a real problem. Anyhow, this doesn't mean I'd recommend this to anyone who doesn't feel comfortable with either having a second partition with the latest stable release around (and a separate home partition) or who feels comfortable about re-installing/downgrading. That said, I'd motivate anyone who contributes or wants to contribute to Xubuntu to try this. I agree with Elisabeth that the main issue is not receiving bug reports from people. The infrastructure for this has already been made a lot easier to use and a lot happens automatically via apport. I'm also uncertain how we could improve this. My guess is that to some extent people who haven't used open source products for a while are simply not familiar with the concept of being able to report a bug to "someone who reads/cares". How many of you guys have reported bugs against Windows (back in the day) via the automated error-reporting popup (wouldn't even know anymore how that's called exactly)? It just felt futile, so I never sent those error-reports (sorry, Windows-devs). > > CONCLUSION > > > > To end the feedback on a positive note (though there weren't so many > > negative points in total anyway), I think we have been up to the highest > > possible standard with QA considering the size of our team and the amount of > > new things landing this cycle. > > > > Finally, a big THANK YOU Elfy for running the QA team, doing all the calls, > > reporting back to us, taking care of bugs being noticed, features landing in > > time et cetera... Last but not least, thanks for putting up with us all who > > have sometimes more or less neglected our duties in QA and being > > unresponsive to questions and calls. It is very much appreciated, and I > > totally think that 14.04 would be a lesser release without your work and > > persistence! > > Absolutely, Elfy's really done an exceptional job staying on top of > all of this even with all his other commitments to Ubuntu and beyond. > Thank you for your work! +1000 - Simon -- xubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
