My point was that convergence of the two may limit the ability of design
and development to a point where useful features may be blocked due to
how they would affect other types of devices.
One of my biggest criticisms of Windows 8 and Unity have been that they
force the desktop users into a touchscreen friendly environment. This
type of design decision makes sense for tablets and phones because that
is their primary input device. For a laptop/desktop, however, it is not
as easy to use or as intuitive when your primary inputs are a keyboard
and mouse.
For the use case you mention, though, where you use your phone to
control what your computer is showing on a big screen, that would be
accomplished with an adapter of some sort, think Chromecast. Where your
phone makes a call to the computer and the computer is listening for it
and receives the instruction. Convergence isn't necessary for this to
occur. This would be accomplished by another app. I would think that
feature would be ideal for MythBuntu, if it doesn't already exist.
On 8/20/14, 3:03 PM, George DiceGeorge wrote:
But as phones get more powerful wont it become more common to connect
them to big screen and keyboard somehow (maybe via usb to a pc) and
then control the phone software with mouse keyboard and big display?
And conversely I want to control my desktop computer to play movies on
a big screen via my phone when I'm in bed. This could be an argument
for convergence.
[george]
*From:* Peter Rauhut <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, 20 August, 2014 15:56
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: Feedback on desktop convergence changes
Even if we remove the concern about where Unity will go, convergence
of Phone/Tablet and Desktop code means that all changes that are made
for the phone/tablet must take the Desktop into account and
vice-verse. Phones and tablets are essentially used in the same way
and making design and technical decisions for those type of
environments to match is fine.
However, desktop environments are used in a very different way. The
decisions that are made for a desktop environment should not be
limited by how it will affect a phone/tablet. My opinion is that these
two different things should remain separate.
On 8/20/14, 9:01 AM, Alistair Buxton wrote:
On 19 August 2014 22:19, Michael Hallmailto:[email protected] wrote:
The appearance of Unity on the desktop should remain functionally the
same (it'll get a visual update though). It will still function as a
desktop, the way Unity 7 does today.
I think the concern here is that the converged applications will be as
bad as Unity, and not that Unity itself will get any worse.
This does not affect Xubuntu however as we only use a couple of Ubuntu
applications which could easily be replaced if they go south.
A much bigger question is whether Xorg will continue to receive the
same level of maintenance as it does now, since there is very little
chance Xfce will be ported to Wayland at any time in the next two
years. (Since it would require a total rewrite and either the removal
of several features or a massive effort to reimplement the missing
required APIs in a cross-desktop way.)
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Alistair Buxton
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