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chong chen commented on YARN-1042: ---------------------------------- A few comments and thoughts: 1) YARN Application Model The current YARN job model only has two layers of requests, application/application attempt and container request. Container requests are independent from each other during scheduling phase. This model seems to work fine for existing simple scenario. However, when dealing with gang scheduling or affinity/anti-affinity etc, this is not enough. Essentially, all these requests introduce relationship among container requests. To easily express relationship, it seems to be nature to have a group concept here. Basically, one application/attempt may include multiple group of container requests, and each group includes multiple container requests. There will be policies within the group. For instance, you can say for group1 of container requests, application prefers to have anti-affinity policies over host, however, for group2, it would be nice to have affinity policy within rack. Furthermore, with group concept, you can also express to say for group3, scheduler needs to make sure all container requests be satisfied before making the allocation decision or even more advanced, group4 needs to meet minimum 4 container requests at the same time before making the allocation decision etc. There can be policies among groups. For instance, if group1 represents hBase masters, group2 represents region servers, I may not want two groups sharing the same host. The bottom line is, each container cannot be considered independently any more, there could be cases scheduler needs to consider them together when making the optimum placement decision. 2) Container Request and Scheduling Flaw To really handle affinity/gang scheduling properly, one should deal with this logic in scheduling and consider all container requests in the group as a whole. The logic should be in scheduler rather than RM layer and scheduler needs to know individual container requests within each group, so it can make proper scheduling decision. This leads to another potential design issue in current YARN. Currently, when AM sends container requests to RM and scheduler, it expands individual container requests into host/rack/any format. For instance, if I am asking for container request with preference "host1, host2, host3", assuming all are in the same rack rack1, instead of sending one raw container request to RM/Scheduler with raw preference list, it basically expand it to become 5 different objects with host1, host2, host3, rack1 and any in there. When scheduler receives information, it basically already lost the raw request. This is ok for single container request, but it will cause trouble when dealing with multiple container requests from the same application. Consider this case: 6 hosts, two racks: rack1 (host1, host2, host3) rack2 (host4, host5, host6) When application requests two containers with different data locality preference: c1: host1, host2, host4 c2: host2, host3, host5 This will end up with following container request list when client sending request to RM/Scheduler: host1: 1 instance host2: 2 instances host3: 1 instance host4: 1 instance host5: 1 instance rack1: 2 instances rack2: 2 instances any: 2 instances During scheduling, assume when host1 heartbeat comes, scheduler assigns container to host1, before Application master receives the container and updates its requests, if next host heartbeat is host4, scheduler will assign again even though they belong to the same container. Fundamentally, it is hard for scheduler to make a right judgement without knowing the raw container request. The situation will get worse when dealing with affinity and anti-affinity or even gang scheduling etc. Ideally, YARN resource allocation request should be changed to send in raw container requests instead of expanded one. It should be scheduler module responsibility to interpret raw request and build up optimized data structure to use it. > add ability to specify affinity/anti-affinity in container requests > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: YARN-1042 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/YARN-1042 > Project: Hadoop YARN > Issue Type: Sub-task > Components: resourcemanager > Affects Versions: 3.0.0 > Reporter: Steve Loughran > Assignee: Arun C Murthy > Attachments: YARN-1042-demo.patch, YARN-1042-design-doc.pdf, > YARN-1042.001.patch, YARN-1042.002.patch > > > container requests to the AM should be able to request anti-affinity to > ensure that things like Region Servers don't come up on the same failure > zones. > Similarly, you may be able to want to specify affinity to same host or rack > without specifying which specific host/rack. Example: bringing up a small > giraph cluster in a large YARN cluster would benefit from having the > processes in the same rack purely for bandwidth reasons. -- This message was sent by Atlassian JIRA (v6.3.4#6332)