a masweu monna Mmakadikwe, I also concurs that TM is trying to fool us all by writing of letters he is indeed the leader of the splinter group. digomo tshepo
--- On Fri, 31/10/08, morgan phaahla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: morgan phaahla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: OPEN LETTER TO THABO MBEKI To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 31 October, 2008, 12:21 PM Comrades, First and foremost, the Thabo Mbeki's letter is very abstract and complex to understand the bottomline. Maybe, other comrades see it differently. Be as it may, cde Steve Mamphekgo is raising a very important issue that requires a microscope of attention to detail. If you analyse this statement: "Following the developments of December 2007 and September 2008, relating to tasks I had been given by the ANC, I have considered carefully what I should do as a private South African and African citizen. Currently I am working as speedily as I can to elaborate the substance of this work, which will ensure that whatever I do in no way involves me in the internal politics of the ANC or the functioning of the government of South Africa. As the saying goes, I refuse absolutely to rule from the grave. History will judge whether what I did during my political life, until September 25 2008, is worth anything;" Certainly, you will come to a determination that cde TM seems engaged behind the scenes with a programme which will caught us by surprise. Perhaps, this may later answer cde Steve, as he stated that the letter of the so-called “Friends of Democracy” continue to sing praises of Cde TM as an individual, of course with the intention of patronizing him, if he is indeed not with them in this. My personal view is that you must treat with suspicion a family member who engages family matters in letters. Any reasonable aggrieved member of a family knows very well that calling of a meeting with the elders of the family is the only avenue that can heal or resolve any acrimony and differences existing, thus without sending letters that seek to cause further divisions and instability within a family. I trust you get my point. I kindly await the bombshell which seems to be in an embryoic stage. Morgan Phaahla, Ekurhuleni --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Steve Mamphekgo. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Steve Mamphekgo. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: OPEN LETTER TO THABO MBEKI To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 11:35 AM Comrades, I must confess that I have never found time to visit the so-called “Friends of Democracy” website, but I think is these is how they discuss issues, then I have definitely saved my precious time. I mean, this letter continues to sing praises of Cde TM as an individual, of course with the intention of patronizing him, if he is indeed not with them in this. The language shows that these are just a group of sympathizers, most of whom are not and have never been ANC members. The continued reference to TM and JZ as “Mr” goes a long way to prove that we are just dealing with unscrupulous characters who claim to be disgruntled members of the ANC, which is not true. This letter is based on sheer common sense, which lacks any political background of issues. If they are indeed “Friends of Democracy”, which democracy are they referring to? What about the ANC organizational democracy that saw Cde JZ and Malema being overwhelmingly elected as the Presidents of the ANC and Youth League respectively. If they are indeed proponents of the Freedom Charter, which Freedom Charter are they referring to? When did they become aware of the alleged ANC’s deviation from the Charter? Which clauses specifically were not complied with by the ANC? From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of kagiso nkhoma Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] OPEN LETTER TO THABO MBEKI Open Letter to Thabo Mbeki by Friends for Democracy Honourable Mr. Thabo Mbeki Receive my warm and heartfelt revolutionary greetings unmitigated to you in the spirit of protecting and defending yet again our democracy of our country. Mr. Thabo Mbeki I’m writing this letter in what may go down in history as a stepping stone for continued efforts to resuscitate and revamp our country in line with our strategic objective of a non racial and prosperous society guided by the Freedom Charter, that some deviating from it. Firstly, I would like to thank you for the efforts and energy you offered to help our brothers and sisters at Zimbabwe, to mediate and maintain peace and stability, not for Mr. Robert Mugabe or Morgan Tsvangirai but for the general people of Zimbabwe, it really shows your vision as a leader, for Africa to be a peaceful and prosperous continent. Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error... They are the natural enemies of error and of error only... If [free enquiry] be restrained now, the present corruptions will be protected, and new ones encouraged. Today ANC, faces serious problems that some correctly to a certain extend would say a crisis, I personally as a citizen of the country I was not happy in the manner which the ANC-NEC treated you, specifically in regard to your ousting. By ousting you without hearing your side of the story whether indeed you had influence in the prosecution of Mr. Jacob Zuma or not, also that mainly their decision to recall you were based on the judgement of Judge Chris Nicholson. Yesterday I was very flabbergasted to my attention by Jacob Zuma saying that you wrote a letter to him, stating your loyalty to the ANC. Who and what is ANC? Is ANC Luthuli house or a flag, or is it the general members at branch level and the policies, constitution and the driving force “freedom Charter”? I ask specifically this questions, to indicate that something is wrong within the party that you allude to be loyal to, the same people you are loyal to, previously insulted you and continuing to do so, banned T-shirts with your face on them and publicly told the nation they don’t have confidence in you and that you are the course of the problem in the ANC, that’s why they recalled you to heal the organisation, so they claim. If you are loyal to the policies of the ANC and the Freedom charter, there is no room for you in the ANC because alliance economic summit resolute that the policies going to be changed, therefore you’ll be loyal to something that you don’t believe in. If you are loyal to the disciplined general members of the ANC, then still you don’t have a place in the ANC, because they are living the ANC and they will be at the convention on the 2nd of November 2008. You’ll be left with Julius Malema and the rest. If you then loyal to the Freedom Charter and the constitution, then still Mr. Mbeki you not going to be accommodated at the ANC, as it proves that some believe that they are above the law, contrary the freedom charter and the constitution that all shall be equal in the eyes of the law, therefore certain individual should be given special treatment, “a political solution on criminal cases”. As I believe you don’t agree with the fact that some should be special cases in the eyes of the law. Too many people are only willing to defend rights that are personally important to them. It's selfish ignorance, and it's exactly why totalitarian governments are able to get away with trampling on people. Freedom does not mean freedom just for the things I think I should be able to do. Freedom is for all of us. If people will not speak up for other people's rights, there will come a day when they will lose their own. If you are loyal to the ANC flag, then soon the flag will be red and with a star, since the SACP had hijacked the ANC daylight, Blade Mzimande, Zwelinzima Vavi and their cronies penetrated in all the ranks of the ANC to advance their course, and only their course, they are going to drive ANC from the passenger seat with a gunpoint on Jacob Zuma’s head and our matriculant of the year Julius Malema. So, are you willing to stay in the cold ANC alone? Further to reiterate my question, amazing how the NEC of the ANC handles matters, When Mr. Terror Lakota, wrote a open letter to the NEC about the issues facing the organisation and unconstitutional manner they oust you, also stating the facts in which the leadership of the ANC deviating from the freedom charter, they blasted Terror claiming is not the tradition of the ANC on how members to raise their concerns by going to the media, and they Insisted that matters of the ANC stays within the ANC. When you comply with the tradition and by using the right channels of addressing concerns, by writing that letter privately to the NEC, without using media and stating your views of loyalty to the party, like any other disgruntled members who are loyal to the party but not agreeing with the leadership roles and decision taken by the NEC. The party bosses go to the media and address about your private letter’s contents, because the letter was between the NEC and you, so why do they go to the Media? So it's only correct for them to use the media when its suit them. So they are trying to use the letter you wrote to confuse people and dismantle the new party's progress. But all I’m saying is that, backward never, forward ever! We are going to the convention. My apologies for any grammatical errors, but I believe they would be greater than those of our so called youth leader, Julius Malema. I hope and trust you find this in order. Yours truly Friends for Democracy ISSUED: 28/10/2008 For more clarity contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.friendsfordemocracy.co.za Disclaimer: This message may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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