Malatsi, what distort your piece is that it does not only lack substance but it makes a mockery of the gains made by the ANC and its government since the attainment of freedom. Yes, there are challenges with regard to transformation – but a lot of progress has been made in creating opportunities for black people in the workplace – there's even a bigger room for improvement for sure.
The damage done throughout the more than 300 years of slavery, colonization and apartheid cannot be corrected overnight. It is not humanly possible – it will definitely take time to completely transform the industry and make the necessary changes that will make South Africa a better place for all. What is then needed is that you put your trust in the ANC – get over your "to hell with it all" attitude and do something. We could better engage if less insult said... i.e. engage without insulting. You are not allowed to take cheap shots at our leadership. Is the ANC responsible for approving tenders and deals? What's wrong with you? On 2/2/09, Erick Mokgabudi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Mchana > > What i will do now since you are member of the ANC but expressing different > views i am forwarding your adress to be included in our mailling list so > that other comrades will attend to your issues > > God shall provide > > -----Original Message----- > From: Percy Malatsi <[email protected]> > Sent: 02 February 2009 12:35 > To: Erick Mokgabudi <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: VERY INTERESTING READ! > > I think we are on the same line here Erick. I said it before and I am > saying it again. There is nothing wrong with ANC. What is wrong here is > people are worshiping other people. I think some people have done justice in > ANC and while others are there for their own gain only. > > Now my cry is that ANC has become so big that it does realize it when it's > arrogant. Look Erick people want to see change, positive change. Yes, there > issues that ANC addressed quite impressively. > > But the fact that they approve deals of R150 million rands to two > individuals, for whatever reason...that is uncalled for Mchana. And that is > not the only case, there are cases where billions of tax payers are wasted > by the giant organization ANC to a few individuals, which could have helped > so many poor people. > > Erick, it's 15 years of democracy, and still people are still crying about > the same issues? This is not a play ground, we are talking about people's > lives here. The guy who expressed himself there that he was given the > mandate of bringing AA in Eskom makes me sick. And for that matter I don't > see any difference between him and Lekota or whoever is there in Parliament. > He failed big time! There is no transformation in Eskom or Sasol or Telkom > or Necsa...I am just naming a few organizations which should have been a > good example of transformation. Instead people just occupy good positions as > transformation officers with lucrative salaries. Then they take their kids > to the suburbs and multi-racial schools - paying expensive school fees while > the rest of the poor nation suffers below. > > Is he telling me that he failed to bring transformation in Eskom? I am not > surprised! Look out we might be heading for another Zimbabwe if we don't > open our eyes here. The elite few in Zimbabwe gain gazillions of dollars > from Government and bring their kids to SA while the least person on the > ground tries by all means possible to cross to SA. > > You see if we are going to go at that pace then let's forget about progress > of the nation and all of us just focus on ourselves! These ANC big shots are > telling me that with 2/3 majority in Government and with the kind of budget > they have at their disposal...they can't address issues with effectiveness > and transform SA to a 1st world country. > > Hence Zuma's & Yengeni's who will make sure they squabble the money like > nobody's business. Hide behind political conspiracy!!!!They think many of us > cannot see what they are doing - they have forgotten the struggle long time > ago! Now they blame people for their own deviations. > > Look at Sexwale and Ramaphosa...at one stage we thought these men will > fight for our nation but now they are on a mission of being gazillionaires > at the expense of who? Anyway maybe they are helping by creating jobs with > their businesses. Who do you know who is a top dog in Politics who could > bring the much needed change and transformation in SA? Zuma? ANC? If you > think so then I say you are a die hard fan and actually you are a strong > believer mchana. I have lost faith in these people and their parties - all > of them! > > I am not a party fanatic Erick...ANC or COPE, I don't care. All I care > about is to put someone of responsibility and credibility in power - Which > in SA we don't have a lot of such!! We are facing a dilemma Mchana, of > lacking credible leaders - There are no leaders here! I mean how can you put > a man who has more than hundred counts of alleged corruption and moreover I > never read anywhere where they gave Zuma credit about his work! > > What can he do best? Women? People pleaser? These are politics Erick. I > don't know - maybe I am ignorant Erick. Give me info. Or we want to put a > puppet there as a President so that when we left he turns and when we say > right he turns again when we say jump he asks how far? > > Now they are again blaming Motlanthe that he is not dancing to their music. > Maybe a robot might be a better President!!! > > Some people call politics a dirty game, you can't play without making > yourself dirty!!!! > > I remain, Mchana. > > >>> "Erick Mokgabudi" <[email protected]> 2009/02/02 10:55 AM > >>> > > Mchana > We must look at this at different angles, well I strongly believe that it's > not only because of the elections that things like this emerge it's because > people would want to know what others think, I totally disagree with you > when you say there is corruptness in the ANC you are taking a blanket > approach to this whole corruption thing look at the individuals not at this > Great organization that has delivered the people of South Africa to where > they are now voicing opinions without fear or prejudice.Malatjie the ANC is > a sound organization that is being sometimes used by individuals for their > own personal gains e.g. your Lekota Shilowas and Allan Boesask of this > world. > > > "In every triumph there`s a lot `try`: Frank Tyger > From: Percy Malatsi [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 02 February 2009 08:52 > To: Erick Mokgabudi > Subject: FW: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: VERY INTERESTING READ! > > Interesting topics, maEr. My quality question is why do they come at this > disturbing hour? > > We need people to come up and discuss issues like these not because > something is wrong or when there are elections coming up. But because they > are a concern to all of us. > > Although the argument of the c'de below holds water and needs some serious > looking into. I still feel strong about the corruptness of The ANC! They > themselves have neglected the mass and enriched a few individuals!!! Now > there are problems with the people they enriched and they start to address > the problems they neglected!!!! > > What do you think? > > >>> "Erick Mokgabudi" <[email protected]> 2009/02/02 08:25 AM > >>> > > > "In every triumph there`s a lot `try`: Frank Tyger > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Siyabonga Mdlalose > Sent: 27 January 2009 12:13 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: VERY INTERESTING READ! > > Howzit ma cdes, > > The matter you are touching upon is very sensitive and some people need to > answer. What ever happened that time needs to be investigated and I know > that even though it is not in the public knowledge – The Big Guys are > working behind the scenes.. Watch the space!!! > > Siyabonga Mdlalose > > Telephone Number: 031 792 4200 > Facsimilie: 031 792 4240 > Cell Phone Number: 082 809 7097 > Email address: [email protected] > Website :www.compass.za.net > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of siphakanyiswa khanyile > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Siyabonga Mdlalose; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: VERY INTERESTING READ! > > This is the type of political information we need to discuss in this forum > ma cdes, hot stuff > Thanks , Cde Zama , one thing for sure we do really need to watch the > former Defence minister but let us be carefull not to let him finish our > valued comrades as it is happening in KZN now. > > Cde's what happened with the weopons that had gone missing at the SANDF > during Lekotas time as a minister , what was the findings of the > investigation if any was conducted. Why do we see Cde's that supported > Msholozi being killed ''Its happening in KZN. Remember that Lekota have > shown hatred for Msholozi that we were all suprised as to what was his > agenda really. > > Amandla Maqabane > > Cde, Sphaka (Dawnpark) > > > > > > > > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:24:55 AM > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] VERY INTERESTING READ! > > > > > > > > > Subject: VERY INTERESTING READ! > > > > > > Some food for thought. Read below > > As always your intellectual thoughts are welcomed. We must debate > issues vigorously and back it up with facts so that we make RSA a better > place to live in. I know some us will ask the following questions re-the > writer of this article, it's up to an individual to believe THULA the > writer > > (But who is this Thula? how come we only heard of him now? where does he > come from? What is the purpose of him writing this, is he not in the > campaign to destroy COPE Leaders? If so is he doing SA a good thing? > What is his agenda? Anyway like I said judge for yourself. > > > THULA BOPHELA (writes) > > "The question we need to ask is what is it about blacks that make them > turn against their own, once they have made it through the door of > opportunity" > > Around 1995 Bongani Khumalo appointed me as his Corporate Affirmative > Action Manager at Eskom, the power utility. He was Human Resources > Director then at Megawatt Park, Eskom Headquarters. I left Durban where > I had been working as Electrification Manager, Coastal, and went to work > at Megawatt Park. > > > > The first task Bongani gave me was to assess the status of Affirmative > Action at Eskom and make a presentation to the Management Board where he > also sat. What he was telling me to do in fact was to make an assessment > of the employee profile at Eskom and show which racial group occupied > which positions in the Eskom hierarchy, nationally. > > > > I went to Human Resources and asked to be given the information > regarding how many white males, white females, black males and black > females occupied management positions. I then prepared my presentation > and appeared before the Management Board. The presentation revealed that > 80% of Eskom managers were white males; 10% were white females, and 7% > were black males, with the last 3% occupied by black females. > > > > After this presentation, the Board tasked me to come up with a plan that > would bring black male and female managers from 10% to 25% by the end of > 1996. The plan I came up with required a massive promotion of male and > female black managers and the appointment of a great number of black > people to management positions. That was when the problem started. > > > > White managers were opposed to the plan, and they put up resistance. > They did not say so openly, but they resorted to strategies that would > make the plan fail. When posts were advertised, they stipulated the > number of years of experience in a particular job that were required. > Many blacks had degrees but did not have the required number of years of > experience. So they could not be considered for the vacant positions. > The reason why they did not have the required experience was because > they had been barred from holding management positions. Experience was > now being used as a weapon to exclude them from being appointed to these > positions. > > > > I obtained from the Board a ruling that blacks should be appointed on > the basis of potential, not experience, which they could not have > because of previous exclusion. The situation began to improve, though > not fast enough. One white manager I spoke to about mentoring blacks so > that they could master their jobs quickly, asked me how many years I > would take to dig my own grave. I was puzzled by the question and before > I could answer he said: 'You see Thula, mentoring a black is like > digging my own grave. When the black has learned everything about my > job, he will then take over, I will be sent to retirement. If you > people therefore want me to dig my own grave, I will take a lifetime > doing it.' > > > > Then a strange thing happened. Black managers, who had been lucky enough > to be appointed, turned against Affirmative Action! They refused to > appoint other blacks to management positions and instead promoted > whites. Some were overheard saying 'In my department, I am the only > black executive'. Being the only black executive in a particular > department meant to them that they were the best among blacks, and they > shut the door in the faces of aspiring black colleagues. It gave them a > thrill to sit in a boardroom where each was the only black person, > surrounded by a sea of white faces. Affirmative Action had opened a door > for them, but once they were in, they shut the door and locked it. > > > > This brings us comrades to the heart of why gentlemen like Mr. Lekota > have been heard to argue that Affirmative Action should be scrapped. > They say it disadvantages whites! Lekota said this when he was Defence > Minister, saying it was time to start appointing South Africans on the > basis of skill and experience, not skin colour. I am told that the black > generals who heard him saying it told him that Affirmative Action could > not be stopped....because it had not even started in the Defence Force. > Leadership in the Defence Force, even to-day, is still predominantly > white. Yet, there was our black Defence Minister saying AA should be > scrapped, because it disadvantaged whites! > > > > He repeated it again last week, addressing the Jewish Board, and the > papers report that he had to pause several times to allow the applause > he got to subside. This was vintage Lekota, sucking up to whites! When I > worked for him in the Ministry of Defence, he came back to his office > from Parliament where he had been attacked severely for ignoring the > plight of black Military Veterans. I put together a plan to address the > plight of MK and APLA Veterans and gave it to him, and he did nothing > about it. The plan was simple. It required the government to do the > following for the Military Veterans: > > > > * Prioritize the MK/APLA Veterans in the Housing Scheme which the > government is already implementing under Minister Lindiwe Sisulu, and > get them out of the shacks where they are currently living with their > families > > > > *Give them access to free medical treatment in the Military hospitals > present in all the nine provinces, a privilege only enjoyed by > members of the former SADF who have retired. Veterans die of curable > diseases like TB because they have no medical aid > > * Allocate bursaries to their children who cannot pay school fees > because of the poverty of their parents. Veterans have no jobs and many > are unemployable because of serious illness and low education > > *Arrange repatriation of the remains of those Veterans who fought and > died in foreign countries > > *Pay membership fees to burial schemes that already exist, so that when > they die they have a decent burial. A dedicated burial Acre could be > organized in all provinces where dead Veterans will be buried, instead > of having to purchase burial space from municipalities. > > > > By the way comrades we are not talking about a large number of people > here. Veterans have been dying away since they came back to their > motherland. I estimated at the time that the Veterans who could receive > this assistance do not number more than 30,000. These are people who > fought in armies where they received no salaries or pensions. They freed > their land, but got nothing from their government. Lekota threw this > plan away, the Minister of Defence. > > When he resigned his position as Minister of Defence Popcru said 'Good > riddance to bad rubbish!'His Ministry at the time of resignation was > said to be riddled with tribalism, nepotism, incompetence and gross > neglect of the welfare of black soldiers. He is out there, > criss-crossing the country with his crony, Mluleki George (former > Deputy Defence Minister) accusing the ANC of all sorts of things and > claiming to be the defender of democracy, the judiciary, the > constitution and the Freedom Charter. His main concern to-day is to see > to it that whites are not disadvantaged! Affirmative Action should go, > he says, to deafening applause from his white audiences! > > Affirmative Action was not coined and implemented to disadvantage > whites. It was put in place to correct the socio-economic imbalances > that the ANC government inherited when it took power in 1994. > > Take the Housing Scheme. Why is it implemented for blacks, and not > whites? Is it designed to disadvantage whites? No sir. Whites have > houses and do not need any housing scheme. The scheme is directed at the > shack-dwellers who are invariably black. Where do whites live? In > suburbs. Who are the people who toyi-toyi all the time, protesting about > the notorious bucket-scheme, water supply, lack of proper health > facilities and schools? Which children walk over twenty kilometres to > school, and frequently have to learn under trees because there are no > classrooms? White children? No sir, ours. > > The largest number of people who are without jobs in this country are > black. The highest poverty levels are found among us. Even those that > are employed have to toyi-toyi all the time to get just a small > percentage increase to their wages. When the teachers went on strike for > two months, asking for a 11% increase in their salaries, white teachers > were prominent by their absence. Why? Their salaries are satisfactory. > COSATU is the largest and the noisiest labour federation in the country. > Why? Because their membership, which is predominantly black, is the > poorest. Terror Lekota knows all this, but his major concern these days > is that whites are being disadvantaged! > > > > He told his white audience that it is unfair to the young whites that > his children, those of Tokyo Sexwale and Cyril Ramaphosa should still be > > regarded as disadvantaged and be affirmed at the expense of young white > South Africans who had nothing to do with Apartheid. A very interesting > argument. Affirmative Action of course is not needed by children of > people like him who have since 1994 become multi-millionaires. It is for > the sons and daughters of those who have meanwhile remained poor or even > sunk deeper into poverty. How many black families have fathers and > mothers who own oil and wine companies like Lekota, and he uses himself > and his personal circumstances to measure the need for the scrapping of > Affirmative Action! > > When Lekota was addressing his Convention at Sandton (note the venue), > one of the people present at the rally said: 'I am a product of > Affirmative Action, I owe everything that I am to-day to Affirmative > Action. I am a professional now. Don't you see Mr. Lekota that present > in this room is the cream of the country? We give you the mandate here > and now to form the party that will lead us!' > > There it is; Shikota belongs to those who, through Affirmative Action, > have made it to the top and now want to have nothing to do with the > party of the poor, the ANC. The question we need to ask is what is it > about blacks that make them turn against their own, once they have made > it through the door of opportunity? I saw it happen at Eskom and I > wondered. When the National Party took power in 1948, one of their most > important goals was to wipe out white poverty, and they did. Their > Affirmative Action removed poor whites from the street corners where > they stood begging on to well-paid jobs and decent housing. Can't we > learn this lesson, even from such a depraved party as the National > Party? Our Affirmative Action benefits only a few among us, and once > those few have benefited, they turn their backs on the rest of us, and > champion the Cause of whites. Africans make me think of a great number > of old women and men who live lives of great poverty in the shack > settlements, because the children they raised and educated, at great > sacrifice, now live in suburbs and have forgotten about them. > > Gwede Mantashe speaking in East London this week-end told us that the > imperialists have always complained that the ANC is too strong. They > said it needs to be divided, weakened and defeated. Why? > > Mantashe was giving us a broader view of what is going on in South > Africa. He was telling us to observe the 'hand' that moves certain > politicians from the ANC to Shikota. Yes, local politicians are doing > the talking, but the whole thing is orchestrated from beyond our shores. > > The great Julius Nyerere, Rais waJamhuri yaTanzania, (former President > of Tanzania), told his nation a fable of the trees and axes. He said > that the axes and the trees lived peacefully side-by-side. Their > children played together, and the elders sat in the shade watching their > children growing up. Then one day, the young trees came running to > report to the older tress that the axes had attacked them. They said > that some of them were dead or too injured to move and that they had > left them behind. The axes had chopped them down. The older trees were > amazed and confused. How could axes that had no handles chop a tree > down? When they went to look, they saw the reason; the axes now had > handles, and the handles were made of wood! Other trees had agreed to > become handles to the axes, and that is how the axes had become > powerful enough to cut the other trees. > > Nyerere was telling his nation that British MI6 had found a spy among > his ministers, and the minister happened to be his Defence Minister. A > coup was attempted against Nyerere, because the imperialists had learned > that Nyerere planned to implement socialism in Tanzania, ujamaa. The > coup failed. This is what Gwede was warning the nation about. > > That is why we hear our leaders talking about 'counter-revolutionaries'. > Julius Malema puts it even more strongly: 'We are prepared to kill for > Zuma!' Although to many people Julius sounds like a mad young > politician, he is not. He spends time with people like Gwede, Blade, > Buti Manamela and Fikile Mbalula and he gets to know that the split in > the ANC is being engineered, financed and masterminded form overseas > capitals. > We need to watch these African Defence Ministers, Comrades. Amandla! > Thula Bophela is the Chief of Security in Parliament, and holds nobody > accountable for the ideas he expresses in this article. > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. 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