Well said Bongani, Cde Maureen does not have answers! On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Bongani Masuku <[email protected]>wrote:
> You are unfortunately not responding to the question that the free press > you are referring to is that you parrot the views of those who pay you, the > views of the rich, tell lies about Iraq, because the US MUST MURDER FOR > PROFIT AND YOUR OWN MASTER’S NARROW INTERESTS!!! Shame on the agents of > capitalist propaganda masquerading as a journalist. Your main duty is to > convince the poor that it is in their own interest and that of society as a > whole that they remain poor, because only then can social stability be > guaranteed. > > It was the media that was supporting apartheid and today, its parading > itself as some saviour of the masses. Refer to the TRC reports on the role > of the media and some of these newly found “free-press” parroters. In the > name of free media, they seek to annihilate the liberation movement, > revolutionary forces and even more so, communism from the surface of the > earth in the true rooi-gevaar style. Even though ZANU in Zimbabwe, made > serious mistakes and fell for their trap, but it is true that they seek to > use that situation to literally defeat the liberation movement in the whole > region. Look what happened to the PAIGC in Cape Verde and Guinea Bissau, > UNIP in Zambia, etc. Throughout Latin America history is telling, the latest > being the Sandinistas in Nicaragua led by Daniel Ortega and how Imperialism > sought to destroy them in the name of US free press, etc. > > A lie told many time becomes the truth, so is the media belief in hoping to > hold society ransom!! > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Maureen Dosoudil [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:18 AM > *To:* yclsa-eom-forum; [email protected]; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena; > Khulu Radebe; Jeff Rademeyer; Dali Ramncwana; Rapula Monkwe; M T Ronyuza; > t.mpondo; thulani kunene; [email protected]; [email protected]; > Pat Ntsobi; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana; [email protected]; > [email protected]; Andries Mapetla; alinam; Solly Mapaila; Dr Mako; > Diteko Moreotsenye; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; vuyo mhlakaza; [email protected]; bakos; > [email protected]; Ntombomz i Mjajubana; mzukisi ronyuza; Bongani > Masuku > > *Subject:* RE: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. > > > > Try a communist/fascist society where all media is owned by the State and > the citizens get indoctrinated into "group thinking" and hear/read only what > the government want you to hear/read (similar to the apartheid media). > Citizens are exposed to only one line of thought and are unable to think for > themselves. The State or a wealthy political party (for example instead of > spending millions on birthday parties, free meals and expensive hotels, > consultants and workshops) can at any time produce media material to counter > act the views of the free press. *It is the principle of freedom of > expression and freedom of the press that must be protected.* > > You must never forget that where there is no freedom of expression the > government simply steps in and shoots protesters - there is no toyi-toyi in > a society without freedom of expression and then there is no free press to > report the authoritarian and suppressive behaviour of government I.e. > Tianaman Square amongst others. > > Thank goodness the ANC introduced free press, no longer can the police > shoot innocent protesters, no longer can the police arrest without detention > etc etc these sort of things are immediately reported by the press which was > not the case in the apartheid regime - never forget that without freedom of > the press you are lft with suppression of information. > > What is your alternative to a free press and freedom of expression - how > would you propose an alternative to the media so that citizens are informed > of current events? > > Never forget it is the capitalist countries who send millions $ of > financial aid and other resources such as doctors and medicines to the poor > countries (despite their anti-poor values) - or do you suggest that they > should not do this? What is the alternative? > > We all know the problems but what are the solutions and have these > solutions been tried and tested before. At the end of the day it is about > creating a peaceful environment in which all citizens of the world can live > in peace and harmony whilst sharing in the riches of their own nation - the > problem is when the State cannot provide that environment and only members > of the inner circle enjoy the riches of the country (Zimbabwe) no matter > whether it is capitalist or otherwise (the former USSR). > > What do you have to say about the awful things the international press has > to say about George Bush, about how they print photos of UK MPs in > compromising situations, expose them for spending money on porn videos etc > etc forcing them to resign - or is that also wrong? > > This has nothing to do with Zuma (who was lucky enough to receive millions > of Rand from the poorest of poor to finance his legal battle which privilege > is not given to the poorest of poor when a starving man steals a bag of > bones to feed his family) it isn't about the individual it is about the > rights of the whole population, including yours, to be able to enjoy freedom > of expression. > > > > Regards > > Maureen > > > > *-------Original Message-------* > > > > *From:* Bongani Masuku <[email protected]> > > *Date:* 2009/04/07 04:54:51 PM > > *To:* Maureen Dosoudil <[email protected]>; > yclsa-eom-forum<[email protected]>; > [email protected]; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena <[email protected]>; > Khulu Radebe <[email protected]>; Jeff Rademeyer <[email protected]>; > Dali Ramncwana <[email protected]>; Rapula Monkwe <[email protected]>; M T > Ronyuza <[email protected]>; t.mpondo <[email protected]>; thulani > kunene <[email protected]>; [email protected]; > [email protected]; Pat Ntsobi <[email protected]>; Puseletso > Mokone-skhosana <[email protected]>; [email protected]; > [email protected]; Andries Mapetla <[email protected]>; > alinam<[email protected]>; > Solly Mapaila <[email protected]>; Dr Mako <[email protected]>; Diteko > Moreotsenye <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; vuyo mhlakaza <[email protected]>; > [email protected]; bakos <[email protected]>; [email protected]; > Ntombomzi > Mjajubana <[email protected]>; mzukisi ronyuza <[email protected]> > > *Subject:* RE: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. > > > > In a capitalist society like ours, the media are nothing but the running > dogs of crony capital, parroting the most reactionary views that seeks to > protect capitalism and anti-poor values. In the name of democracy, they feed > the whole society with the most rightwing views. By freedom of association > in such a society is meant the right of those who have money to pay their > writing mercenaries, so-called journalists. It is not meant the freedom of > poor people to speak against and confront the evils of capitalism, to expose > the lies behind the system and freely propose an alternative system. > > Who determines what should be the main point of discussion in society. We > are forced to discuss about some old pity-seeking fellow called the Dalai > Lama, while none want us to discuss the 5.2 million Congolese who died in > Congo merely for multinational companies to steal the cobalt, coltax and all > the rich minerals of that country, none want us to discuss the real reasons > why Somalians are still dying like flies. None of these so-called free > journalists ask the relevant questions about why call North Korea to halt > arms race, but allow Israel to accumulate warheads with the open supply from > the US. > > Coming back home, the media only remembers freedom of expression when it > must persecute JZ, but does not do so when we must be told what happened to > Waulter Basson and all those who killed like him. Where was the so-called > free media when he was freed, where was it when the settlements were made > with the various agents of the former apartheid order who made arrangements > with the NPA to be set free. > > This is the media freedom we hear trumpets about, shame! > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Maureen Dosoudil [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:44 PM > *To:* yclsa-eom-forum; [email protected]; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena; > Khulu Radebe; Jeff Rademeyer; Dali Ramncwana; Rapula Monkwe; M T Ronyuza; > t.mpondo; thulani kunene; [email protected]; [email protected]; > Pat Ntsobi; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana; [email protected]; > [email protected]; Andries Mapetla; alinam; Solly Mapaila; Dr Mako; > Diteko Moreotsenye; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; vuyo mhlakaza; [email protected]; Bongani > Masuku; bakos; nomsh...@l esedilm.co.za; Ntombomzi Mjajubana; mzukisi > ronyuza > *Subject:* Re: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. > > > > But then Idi Amin was an authoritarian dictator who did not allow freedom > of expression and did not tolerate criticism - the founding principles of > democracy and essentials of the Freedom Charter. > > Idi Amin also spent too much time worrying about what journalists said > about him and not enough time addressing issues of poverty and hardship > amongst the poorest of the poor - but then who really cares what happens to > the poorest of the poor as long as they vote the ruling party into power so > that we can keep our comfortable jobs and flashy cars? > > This continual beating of the press reminds me of the "hated apartheid > regime" who also curtailed freedom of expression and censored journalists - > this is one of reasons why the previous regime was able to stay in power for > so long - information, debate and criticism in a free press did not exist > under apartheid, the people were not informed and debate not encouraged > because nobody was asking questions. > > One of the things that the old ANC did bring to our new democracy was > freedom of the press but now it seems that the new ANC has forgotten where > it comes from and why - this is how Zimbabwe began - slow, insidious > break down of democratic values. > > You do not have to agree with what you read but you have to defend the > right of freedom of the press and freedom of expression - you should read > Time magazine and see what was written about George Bush but not once did he > attack journalists for what they wrote. > > This photo is a sad testament to the suppression of freedom of expression. > > Regards > > Maureen > > > > *-------Original Message-------* > > > > *From:* Mzukisi Ronyuza <[email protected]> > > *Date:* 2009/04/06 09:14:12 AM > > *To:* yclsa-eom-forum <[email protected]>; > [email protected]; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena <[email protected]>; > Khulu Radebe <[email protected]>; Jeff Rademeyer <[email protected]>; > Dali Ramncwana <[email protected]>; Rapula Monkwe <[email protected]>; M T > Ronyuza <[email protected]>; t.mpondo <[email protected]>; thulani > kunene <[email protected]>; [email protected]; > [email protected]; Pat Ntsobi <[email protected]>; Puseletso > Mokone-skhosana <[email protected]>; [email protected]; > [email protected]; Andries Mapetla <[email protected]>; > alinam<[email protected]>; > Solly Mapaila <[email protected]>; Dr Mako <[email protected]>; Maureen > Dosoudil <[email protected]>; Diteko Moreotsenye <[email protected]>; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]<[email protected]>; > vuyo mhlakaza <[email protected]>; [email protected]; > [email protected]; bakos <[email protected]>; [email protected]; > Ntombomzi > Mjajubana <[email protected]> > > *Subject:* WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. > > > > > > Idi Amin did not what like what the journalist wrote about him which is > why at some stage he rounded them up and made them kneel in front of him and > make a pledge never to write what they wrote about him. *I HOPE JONATHAN > SHAPIRO (ZAPIRO), THE ZIONIST, WAS PART OF THEM. 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