> Thanx, Cde Wonder, > > I really wanted to know if there were some people who still care about > me. You have answered my question in a somehow bizarre manner. > > I stay in Pienaar, Msogwaba Trust at Ward 26 Mbombela in Mpumalanga. If > you want to know about me, come to this area and not to clubs and > tarvens. I am convinced that your sources have not briefed you correctly > or were just economical with information or rather do not know me. I am > not going to dwell much on my stance and my membership until you get > your facts correct from any comrade from the area that I have clarified > above. > > You are not the first to raise such issues, I wish you get a privilege > to engage me in person. All the fabrications about me are well known to > society and I have made peace with them because they were meant to > ensure that I subscribe to the politics of patronage which won't happen > any time as long as I live. The producers of such fabrications have > dismally failed to engage me on political issues other than preference > of a certain comrade over the other. > > I am still sane in my conscious and my mind that such fabrications will > pass and whoever has produced them will also come to senses and clarify > society. As of now, I do not owe anyone an apology for raising issues > within my mind. I will not stop because of some myopic fabrications > produced to destroy me. I will never be destroyed by lies - because the > truth will always triumph. I remain a revolutionary. > > I will continue to stand my grounds until I am clarified with facts > where I am wrong. As I was convinced by your well written column except > on issues that I have not agreed upon including the fabrications you > brought to this forum. I have agreed with Mzukisi, with Paul and with > Tsholo on some partialities though but on the major part of their > inputs. However, none of you says President Mbeki should be forgiven for > the errors conducted by his administration and him as then a leader of > both the ANC and Government and as currently a member of the ANC in good > standing (Check with the SGO). > > For your own sake, I am invited to a political school of SASCO at > Mebala residence of TUT Nelspruit Campus. I hope you will once visit > political schools and be told about my contributions (and not at > Endumbeni where you chill with armchair critics and apolitical > friends). > > I am out!! > Comrades Im deeply worried that we are loosing spirit of constructive criticsm and self criticism,there is nothing wrong with robust debate around JZ or TM in this discussion forum.But my worry is when comrades start to insult each other through this forum,the latest being a public spat between Cde Mdu and others.In the past we condemn this similar behaviour by Ratebogo,now is MDU and Wonder. The critical challenge is defend,deepen and consolidate unity of the ANC/SACP/COSATU,if we suspect any of our comrade to work with counterrevolutionary forces let us expose him in an acceptable manner not through hearsay and gossip,to avoid allegations of conspiracy and purging.During the national lekgotla we defended the discussion forum to continue,but i think as leaders of YCL We will not keep quiet and leave this forum to degenerate to personal squabbbles,otherwise we will chase interested stakeholders to facebook,hi5 and other forums
Lastly can anyone who still have a discussion around my deprtation forward them to me at [email protected] im told it was hot,and i was not around to read them and my WEBMAIL address was full and bouncing i never receive them > > > >>>> "Wonder Nkosi (PTA)" <[email protected]> 4/20/2009 11:15 > AM >>> > Mdu, > > everytime i visit home in Lekazi, i check on the latest developments > and behavior of comrades and it happened that you are one of those i > checked lately. the first time i asked about you, its when you resigned > in the ycl pec structure in mpumalanga. i was told that you are refusing > to even wear an anc t-shirt (especially the one with msholozi's face) > because of what was happening in the anc. i was at home in december and > the whole of january, i had an ample time to engage with pya comrades > and they told me that you are campaigning for cope in tut nelspruit > campus. you once resigned in this forum and re-joined us. if they are > wrong, your actions are just right. i am raising this behavior to > correctly understand your interest and position in the current political > developments within the anc and south africa. > > you are correct that a person is innocent until proven guilty. > .secondly, the process and procedures followed to charge a person are > equally important in determining whether a person is innocent or not. > thabo mbeki need not look further than to his action to sack the then > deputy president of the country, msholozi, based on journalist views on > what judge squire's judgement. by the way, the same judge distanced > itself from that controversial statement of corrupt relationship. the > same happened to him and he loudly cried foulplay. thabo must tell the > nation, on how it happened that under his leadership, scorpion changed > its mandate to investigate organised crime to be of gathering > inteligence. he must also explain why he didn't persue recommendations > of parliament on the matter of browse mole report. > > fikile mbalula raised a number of issues, and suprisingly, it is being > ignored by thabo mbeki, including yourself. one thing that made me to > lose trust in him as a leader, is his action and statements towards > challenging the verdict of judge nicolson. for a stater, since when did > he realise that inferences made to the presidency must be challenged, > and why not when it was affecting msholozi? cde mzala wrote a book about > gatsha (the chief with a double agenda), i think if mzala was alive was > going to coin it to refere to thabo mbeki. > > it is useless to continuously raise these issues with people who want > to protect thabo's legacy without considering his interest in destroying > the movement. the latest stunt by him, is not to challenge cope in its > campaign to use his name while he said to msholozi that his name must > not be used to campaign for the anc. and i must say, that i applaud, > msholozi for not mentioning his name yesterday and siyanqoba rally. when > was the last time you saw madiba in a rally? that was soul soothing and > fulfilling. you can't have a discipline member of the anc who must be > requested to contribute in building a strong and victorious anc, an nec > member for that matter. by the way, he had stopped participaitng in the > anc nec meetings and had not done so since polokwane. do you remember > that he suspended jackie selebi in the same day the anc was in > atteridgeville for the january 8 rally? what was he going to do if he > was elected as president of the anc, was he going to stay away from the > anc rallies and claim to be busy with government work? mdu, you might > know better, i guess. > > we are in an era, where, individual worshipping is dying and there are > many who believe we must continue in that practice. it is a foreign > practice in the anc, and it doesn't build the organisation and it must > stop. we are continuously been challenged by new cultures that are > foreign and a re dangerous in building a cohesive and united mass based > democratic movement. by joining an organisation, you agree that the > majority decisiona and orders of your leadership will be the obeyed. i > like what is happening in the military and saps, you comply and complain > later. that is discipline in short. think of what was going to happen if > this was not done in mk? > > we are faced with challenges to fight crime, corruption, > mal-administration and service delivery. how best can we do this with a > leadership collective that is not honest and take people who elected > them for granted? this might be discussed at different levels and the > answers will differ and will show the interests of individuals. i > believe that honesty and trustworthy characters of leaders is central, > followed by their interest and ability to lead. > > as we assess the past 15 years in government, we must look at the > implementation of the freedom charter. how far are we? where we are > lagging, what majors can we take to resolve those matters. i am happy > that skills development, quality employment, crime are at the centre > stage. i have a concern in terms of the economic indicators that we use > to meaure our economic growth. we tend to focus only in macro economic > management an pay less attention in micro-economic indicators. sure this > tendency will only assist us in the short term and it will outburst in > the long run. > > i hope that the matter of thabo mbeki will give us a lesson on how we > need to conduct ourselves and the policies that we need to continuously > be striving for. by the way, thabo mbeki had given the former executive > mayor of mbombela and mr mogale a green light and later they were > implicated in the mbombela stadium biggest scam and corruption ever seen > in south africa, for buying such a big piece of land for R1. i hope you > will no longer whorship thabo mbeki and other leaders on the mass > democratic movement but to respect all of them equally so, without fear > or favour > > by the way, you raised a matter of the arms deal, please assist me > here. why has the matter of the arms deal had not touched thabo mbeki, > and joe modise? if the investigation of jacob zuma was triggered by the > arms deal, why is it selective, and why the charges don't speak of the > term of office but goes back to the time msholozi was still an mec in > kzn? why tm had failed to act when the public protector raised issues > affecting msholozi's human rights? do you believe that tm is a member of > cope? if you say no, why? especially that cope leadership visit him day > and night and when cope uses his picture he doesn't write letters to the > leadership of cope as he did to jz. in the bible, there is a verse that > speaks about money following a heart of the holder. where your heart > lies, your possessions will follow. i might have read it wrong if you > say but the principle is clear > > Wonder > > iu > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mduduzi H > Vilakazi > Sent: 20/04/2009 09:23 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Mbeki a leader by distinction!! > > Cde Mzukisi, > > I do not know when did you join the congress movement structures. At a > time I joined this structures, I was taught of traditions and among this > traditions were the recognition as all former presidents as presidents. > I do not know why you create an unnecessary debate out of nothing. > > President Mbeki, like all presidents of the ANC who served before > President Zuma - including President Dube, President Sefako, President > Mahabane, President Gumede, President Seme, President Xuma, President > Moroka, President Luthuli, President Thambo and President Mandela > remains presidents of the ANC in their different periods of service. > > It is not by supprise that President Malema and others continue to > refer to President Mbeki and to other (former) presidents as presidents. > Let us not create a new tradition now that we are not acclimatized to. > > Cde Tsholo, re-invite means invite again. This was said in the light > that President Zuma was re-invited as deputy president of the country > after the 2004 general elections while the saga was still burning. > Msholozi became the Deputy President until the controvertial Judge > Squires judgements in 2005. I wrote before that two judgements in this > country changed the political setup. One is that of Judge Squires on the > Shaik Case and the other is the Judge Nicolson's verdict on the Zuma V/s > NPA case. > > Judge Squires made inferences on JZ in the Shaik case and President > Mbeki as I said regarded the inferences as judgements and forgot the > principle of "innocent until proven guilty", this was also the case > after the Judge Nicolson's verdict where the NEC of the ANC decided to > recall President Mbeki on the inferences made in that judgement. The > principle of "innocent until proven guilty" was ignored. > > Yes, I do not dispute that President Mbeki and his collective both in > the ANC and in Government made errors. Those errors are part of the > ongoing learning process that even any other collective will not avoid. > The only way to avoid errors is to do completely nothing. I agree with > Senzo, we need to move on and not crucify individuals for errors > committed in the line of duty. Activism will always be accompanied by > mistakes. > > Let us therefore not write obituaries for those we tasked with > responsibilities. This, too, will pass and fresh mistakes will be > committed. The ANC will continue to lead the masses of our people. As it > does that let us not burn the bridges that we have already passed but > continue to count them as we pass. > > I am convinced, Cde Mzukisi, that most of the things you said might be > true but can we disassociate ourselves with members of the movement > because of their personal intelligence, arrogance and aloofness. We new > this things before, why do we judge them now. I mean, let us not bestow > people with membership they do not have and distance them from the > organization they love. They, too, are still comrades. > > I pause!! > > >>>> Mzukisi Ronyuza <[email protected]> 4/18/2009 2:42 PM >>> > Mduduzi, who is President Thabo Mbeki (President for Life)? What is > your political party? I don"t think we should dignify your mail by > providing answers. Let's not be fixated past like Mdu. Crying for a > spilled won't assist you Mduduzi. Proving conspiracy is difficult Mdu. > Let us not be drugged by personality cult. That Mbeki was working a > collective is a myth. If it was so we wouldn't be where we are today. > The quagmire that he has put our movement in will take years to undo. > Mbeki's personal anger could be seen in the way he was doing things. The > fact that he was not consulting the ANC on major decisions, including > the firing of key government deployees, shows his scant regard of the > ANC. His minute understanding of the ANC is disrespect on its own. > In his quest to make the ANC a "modern managerialist" capitalist > political party he silently, covertly and conspiratorially purged many > people from the movement, direct and indirectly. > Wait kancane Mdu, proof of Mbeki's misdemeanour can be seen in GEAR > (SAP), disregard of the Alliance, use of junior ANC functionaries to > fight his ideological battles, undermining the basic tenets of our NDR > and the Freedom Charter, Sidelining of Ideological opponents, rewriting > the ANC History, deliberately intentionally forgetting some of the > liberation heroes, hatred of Trade Unions and MKMVA etc. This is the > proof, to name a few, of your President's downfall. Look at the > permanent casuals in the commercial and Textile industry and look beyond > your denial Mdu. > > LASTLY MDU CDE THABO MBEKI IS NOT THE PRESIDENT UNLESS YOU ARE MC > CARTHY'S FRIEND, OR UNLESS AGAIN UNLESS YOU ARE A MEMBER OF COPE WHO IS > WAITING FOR THE SECRET LEADER FROM SOMEWHERE TO COME AND LEAD COPE "WHEN > THE TIME IS RIPE" > ARE YOU A MEMBER OF ANC. PLEASE RESPOND. > Mzukisi > Sharp Mdu. > > > On 4/17/09, senzo ncongolo <[email protected]> wrote: > > well comrades i think here there most unfortunate thing is that > comrades do not assess the intire leadership that lead with TM including > cde Jz.history will judge all of us because i think all of us have done > grave things to each other in defence of our individual interests. > Mdu,Tsholo we should remember that in our lifetime within the mass > democratic movement we have acted selfishly at some stage. finally lets > build a very strong ANC and focus on th eprimary tasks facing us > currently. > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:03 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Cde Mdu > > i was not compering JZ to Moroka i was asking that does TM belive that > JZ > is our Moroka? that question is very relevant and yes there r > similarities > in the Xuma & TM case, as you put it they both did excellent work fo > the > organisation! but i differ with you fundementally when you say :"He > used > the "quiet diplomacy" and re invited JZ as Deputy president of the > republic while ther JZ saga was burning. I think he respected the > organisation more than anything." > > coz many of us would say thats when the abuse of state power began and > as > Cde Mbalula put it in his letter thats when the trust confered on TM > by > ANC was undermined. i say this becouse if TM, as you put it was just > respecting the organisation when he recalled JZ, he would have first > accused the meeting in the NEC of the ANC; remember the ANC is a > political > democratic organisation, and the NEC would, i belive have advised how > to > deal with the matter after debating it. whethere TM would eventually > recall JZ its a non-starter but had he discussed with his NEC (the > highest > dicission making structure between confrencess) branches would most > probally not have rejected the collective dicision of the TM & his NEC > no > matter how painfull (mind you this was the result for some of us when > TM > was recalled!). No one(well not me at least) was said that branches > were > drunk or dead when they elected TM in two consecative terms. i think > you > should withdraw that statement unless some one has really said it! > > as a matter of fact chief i belive that JZ is our Luthuli. also we > must > wait for history to judge the real outcomes and impacts of polokwane. > we > cant be players and refs or judges at the same point only after a > couple > of years from 2012 will we be able to see the real effect of polokwane > on > the political landscape of the country but most importantly o fthe > ANC. > let me put it to you that we still have to implemen the ressolution of > the > polokwane under the new administration and still give them sumetime to > c > if they are effective. also we still have cope using TM in thier > posters > and songs and hero worshiping him! so when will he make a public > statement > acknowlidging cope's right of exsistance and requesting them to stop > using > his face and name to campaighn cos he is and said he is an ANC member > and > he will vote ANC? when comrade Mdu when? > > in my final analysis TM like Xuma failed to act on a particular > changing > political trajectory and that has resulted tragically for both of > them. > notwithstanding the difference in thier situations > > A Luta... > >> Well said my chief. >> _______________________________ >> From: Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:56:59 PM >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Mbeki a leader by distinction!! >> >> >> Thanx Cde Tsholo and Cde Paul for responding. >> >> I agree with 80% of your response cde Paul. I think we need some time > to >> clarify each other on one or two aspects. However, my posting was not > a >> defense of President Mbeki as aperson but his contribution as a > servant of >> the people deployed by the ANC. He has clarified his stance on > loyalty to >> the ANC and I do not think he should clarify his stance on the JZ > saga for >> reasons known to all of us. >> >> In law a person proves his innocence not his guilt. that is why those > who >> have evidence of wrongdoing by President Mbeki should come forward > with >> such, that is when he has to answer to allegations. But, as it stands > now, >> none came with something that implicates him, so there is no role he > has >> to clarify except disinviting JZ as Deputy President where he acted > within >> his prerogative (section 91 of act 108 of 1996). >> >> Cde Tsholo, The Xuma/Moroka issue is different. Xuma was a known > cadre of >> the revolution. He built structures of the organisation on the > ground >> unfortunately he did not want to buy in the ANCYL programme of > militancy, >> hence his removal. His concerns were that he was replaced by someone > who >> did not know the ANC and was not a member during his election. He did > not >> believe that such a person can steer the ship that he had built. Do > you >> blame him? I think its unfair. >> >> With the TM/JZ issue, both comrades had a relationship of more than > 30 >> years working together for a common cause. Both are tried and tested >> cadres of the movement and both led the ANC as President and Deputy > for >> the period 1997 - 2007. It is therefore unfair to associate Mbeki > with >> Xuma (A leader) and JZ with Moroka (at that time a non-starter). >> >> The JZ issue came with De Lille in 1999 and President Mbeki did not > act >> except having trust that JZ was innocent until 2005 when inferences > were >> made on JZ. That is when he ignored the basic principle of "innocent > until >> proven guilty". He used the "quiet diplomacy" and re invited JZ as > Deputy >> president of the republic while ther JZ saga was burning. I think he >> respected the organisation more than anything. >> >> Do we mean the oversight he made in 2005 was so grave that we need > to >> forget him as President of the ANC for the two terms 1997-2002 and >> 2002-2007 democratically elected (uncontested)? Do we mean the >> organisation was dead or delegates were mad in 2002 when he was > re-elected >> in Stellenbosch as president? >> The issue here is not about membership. I am more concerned with the >> sterling contribution he made to the organisation. Can all of it be > buried >> now because he lost the race in Polokwane? >> >> I am doing nothing but defend a legacy of a dynamo who made a > sterling >> contribution to the ANC for more than 52years. The ANC should be > proud of >> producing such a leader. Leadership styles changes and differs from >> collective to collective. Some of the issues are not mistakes but an > era >> that can be understood by those in the upper echelon of leadership. >> >> Lastly, I do not think because of the contestations in Polokwane, > history >> shall judge. It was not for the first time that contestation took > place 1n >> 1930 between President JG Gumede and President Pixley ka Seme. > Gumede >> received 14 votes while Pixley amassed 39. There was no annihilation > of >> President Gumede's legacy because he lost to President Seme. Even > though >> they formed lobby groups that bad mouthed each other but these lobby >> groups were disbanded right in the conference. >> >> It is wrong for people to use Mbeki's name for their own personal >> political fortunes but that does not warrant Mbeki's call to respond/ > come >> clear/ come to the open or come out. He mentioned manier times that > he >> remains a loyal cadre of the ANC. >> >> I pause!! >> >> >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> 4/17/2009 8:24 AM >>> >> >> Mbeki a leader by distinction? >> >> Comrade Mdu, i understand and respect your views on evidence bieng > brought >> forward; but lets always remember the ANC is a democratic political >> organisation. in short i want to refer you to the deep seeded > division >> which were there in the ANC when President Xuma (who like mbeki had > done >> wonders for the ANC and built it organisationaly). When Xuma started >> distencing himself from the ANC and later joined by others like > Selope >> Thema they first formed a breakaway with in the ANC. The then > Secretary, >> Cde Sisulu said that later they were to learn that some of Xuma's > concerns >> were in particular about President Moroka were very correct; but the >> manner they went by it not only undermined organisational unity but > it >> also spat at the core of democratic centrelism (again pls remember > that >> the ANC is a democratic political organisation)! >> >> Know i am sure u are finding it hard to get the relevance of the > above >> small history; well its simple when Xuma was chucked out of the NEC > and >> later Selope Thema expelled; they then used the opportunity to use > the >> then only pro African journal, the Buntu..., to discredit the ANC and > said >> that bullyboy tendencies and balckmail politics of the ANCYL was > what >> drove them away, and that the ANCYL was not respecting its elders ect > ect. >> >> Now history is good coz we can now do some situational analysis and > ask is >> Thabo Mbeki our Xuma? does TM belive that Zuma (when pushed and coz > he >> knows him so well, will not be able to lead the ANC)is our Moroka.? > has >> the ANCYL (Mbalula NEC) made the same mistakes on Zuma as the ANCY >> (Mandela NEC) did on Xuma? Will Zuma be our Luthuli? >> >> Manier times i have said on this forums and other forums what my > responses >> are to the above questions. perhaps you need to ask your self these >> questions give us ansewrs! notwithsanding Cope's recent calls off > giving >> TM presents on Sunday and inviting him to thier rally, and thier TM >> posters!! Also remember that like Xuma TM is more than welcome to > attend >> any functions of the ANC and in particular NEC meetings as this is > his >> constitutional right. >> >> lastly in my view TM should do like Xuma go the NEC and speak his > mind and >> leave with the consequences! >> >> History has not judged the outcomes of polokwane yet!! >> >> Pls respond chief! >> >> >>> As President Mbeki has requested on the 09th of April 2009 that > anyone >>> with evidence of his political inteference should produce such to > law >>> enforcement agencies, please do so if you have such evidence. >>> >>> You are but walloping and not giving details of his involvement in > the >>> issues. His relation with Mbalula when they were both presidents of > the >>> ANC and ANCYL respectively cannot be summarised by the fabrications > in >>> the Mbalula letter. >>> >>> Part of the document read to us by the acting NDPP when pronouncing >>> that he could not proceed with the cases on Msholozi clarifies that >>> there is no information or whatsoever that implicates president > Mbeki on >>> the issues. >>> >>> What you wrote is equivalent to the rejection of the ANC manifesto. >>> Most of the facts in the manifesto are the same as those reported > by >>> president Mbeki in Polokwane. You and Mbalula cannot mislead us by >>> ignoring the good things that the Mbeki administration did for the >>> country. >>> >>> I fully agree that he like all human beings made mistakes during > his >>> leaderrship but you must tell me who of all the good leaders of the > ANC >>> was never mentioned as a sellout. They were labelled so because >>> leadership is not writing letters but providing solutions to > problems. >>> While doing so, some decisions will be highly unpopular. >>> >>> As president Julius Malema has said, the ANC owns all the good and > the >>> bad things that the Mbeki administration made. President Malema > further >>> acknowledged the mistakes that president Mbeki might have caused > and >>> pleaded for the forgiveness of such mistakes. >>> >>> The ANC is an organisation that will never abandon its members, why >>> such a campaign on president Mbeki. However, president Mbeki's good >>> stewardship can not be forgotten because of political sentiments > and >>> fabrications without proof. >>> >>> I want to challenge anyone in this forum to dispute that most of > the >>> things that the ANC are proud of were achieved during the 14 and a > half >>> years of Mbeki occupancy in the office of the presidency both as > the >>> only executive deputy president and subsequently president of the >>> country. Why do you and Mbalula owns the achievements and dismiss > the >>> mistakes that came with democracy. >>> >>> We are tired of discrediting president Mbeki's legacy and > fabricating >>> lies about him. I stand firm to be villified by those who hold a >>> contrary view, but if you have evidence of wrong doing by president >>> Mbeki, furnish such to law enforcement agencies. >>> >>> I pause!!! >>> >>> >>>>>> Kaizer Mohau <[email protected]> 4/15/2009 11:20 AM >>> >>> >>> LET US NOT LOSE FOCUS – QUENCIQUENCIES ARE HUGE IF WE DO >>> >>> The open letter to former President of the ANC and the country > Thabo >>> Mbeki, by Cde Fikile Mbalula a member of the National Executive >>> Committee of the African National Congress came at a time when as >>> members of the ANC we needed political direction as to how on earth >>> are we to deal with the repercussions resulting from the National >>> Prosecuting Authority’s decision to withdraw charges against the >>> President of the ANC and soon the country. >>> >>> This does not in any way suggests that the NPA provided us with a >>> political dilemma in this regard neither does the NPA represents an >>> institution that we could trust anytime soon. But this is precisely >>> because the NPA vindicated us as members of the ANC – and cadres of >>> this ANC led revolutionary movement. >>> >>> We have long before the NPA could be sober, argued that there is no >>> case to be answered by the President of the ANC Cde Jacob Zuma – >>> When >>> in a COSATU conference a song was composed asking Bulelani Ngcuka > as >>> to what is it that Cde Jacob Zuma has done? It was against this >>> background. >>> >>> Because Ngcuka was controlling the Scorpions we had to ask him this >>> question – to our disappointment no answer came forth except an >>> intensified offensive on the persona of Cde Jacob Zuma by the > media, >>> the Presidency of the country, certain members of the National >>> Executive Committee of the ANC during Thabo Mbeki’s leadership, >>> opposition parties and last and not least the so-called > intellectuals >>> and their ideological sidekicks masquerading as political > analysists. >>> >>> It is impossible to think of Bulelani Ngcuka and his Co. operating >>> without instructions from somewhere, in our mind there was no doubt >>> that a powerful hand was behind these shenanigans. We knew that the >>> President of the ANC and the country by then knew about what was >>> happening – as such we were and we are still of the view that Thabo >>> Mbeki was either responsible for these actions or gave blessings to >>> those in the forefront. >>> >>> So the decision by the NPA came as no surprise in terms of its > content >>> and not the political form these issues took prior and after the >>> decision was made, what was our concern was when the NPA will be > sober >>> and take this long awaited decision. >>> >>> The former President dismissed a number of important leads into the >>> so-called conspiracy – amongst those is the main issue of the >>> existence of a concerted and calculated plot to undermine in the > eyes >>> of the public the image, character and political leadership of Cde >>> Jacob Zuma. When the issue of the Browse Mole report came to the >>> public domain – which was nothing except another briefing notes > aimed >>> at dealing negatively so with the leadership of the entire movement >>> including the Alliance leaders, Thabo Mbeki dismissed it as another >>> work of counter revolutionary elements, something Thabo Mbeki is > well >>> known for during his term of office – including his “Extra ordinary >>> arrogance which leads to total disrespect and disregard for the >>> leadership of our movement and the movement itself. >>> >>> >>> Perhaps the million Rand question in terms of the current debate of >>> what is to be done, following the NPA decision as it is unfolding > and >>> taking a centre stage in how political parties are contesting our >>> votes, should be located and subjected to internal democratic > process >>> of the ANC. It is my humble view that as of now we need to cool our >>> heads and our minds by applying the very attitude demonstrated by > the >>> President of the ANC Cde Jacob Zuma of desisting from being >>> judgemental lest we fall into the political trap set by the > opposition >>> with the intention to ensure we lose focus of the most important > task >>> of today, that of ensuring more than two/thirds majority in the > coming >>> elections. >>> >>> As to what happens to those who have wounded the movement overtime >>> considering the profusely bleeding ANC – as a result of Thabo >>> Mbeki’s >>> style of leadership – I think we should let the structures of the > ANC >>> – in the coming National General Council to decide on the course of >>> action to be undertaken by the ANC as part of the process of > healing >>> itself. >>> >>> We should avoid making judgements at this stage – whether we > forgive >>> or we call for the conspirators to face the firing squad – should be > a >>> subject for the ANC structures – in a process that will satisfy all > of >>> us. >>> >>> People should use as expected internal processes of the ANC to > lobby >>> for their positions in this regard – it must be noted that Thabo > Mbeki >>> cannot be treated – in the manner that will eventually undermine > the >>> internal and organisational discipline of the ANC. >>> >>> Besides our treatment of Thabo Mbeki as a puppet master who was the >>> only one behind the plot will not assist us – a holistic approach > to >>> these issues will go a long way in sustaining, concretising and >>> maintaining the unity and cohesion of our movement. >>> >>> I think all of us should agree that our movement has been seriously >>> wounded, we should further agree with Cde Fikile Mbalula that Thabo >>> Mbeki’s indifference in relation to the current political > conjecture >>> and particularly the fact that whether he remains a cadre of the > ANC >>> or not are issues we should never dismiss out rightly, but at the > same >>> time we should not create an impression that the ANC will never >>> survive an existence without him. >>> >>> By: Kaizer Mohau >>> Potchefstroom >>> North West Province >>> Mobile: 072 080 2824 >>> >>> >>> Writing in his total personal capacity >>> >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments relating to official business of > the >>> Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG) is proprietary to the MPG > and >>> intended for the original addressee only. >>> The message may contain information that is confidential and subject > to >>> legal privilege. 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