** High Priority ** Domza I fully agree with you but I think what we should be discussing is the approach...on the ground many young people are into soapies...my view is that YCL should adopt a gradual approach in dealing with the matter...remember YCL strives to win their heart and soul... For example you can't tell your girl who's drinking, in a first date to stop drinking with immediate effect... Thembinkosi Josopu Student Admissions & Advocacy Services Department of Student Affairs University of Cape Town Level 3, Kramer Law building Middle Campus Rondebosch,7700 Tel :021-650-2429 Fax:021-650-4014 Cell:071-933-2177
There is nothing more noble than the people, more dignified, and more intelligent than the people-President Sekou Toure >>> "Dominic Tweedie" <[email protected]> 2009/06/12 12:50 PM >>> Comrades, I wonder who is short of ideas? Comrade Castro is absolutely correct to this extent at least, that it is no good to discuss the question of the SABC as if it was in a cultural and political vacuum. Comrade Castro has engaged critically on the matter of the content of the SABC's cultural output, and that of other broadcasters, and his critique is correctly directed at the class message that is the "sub-text" of almost everything that the broadcasters put out, whether the content is local or from overseas. The challenge that Cde Castro has made is for you to produce more and better ideas about the cultural and political content of broadcasting in South Africa. Where are your ideas on this question, comrades? By the way, you do not have to limit the debate to this forum. You can also engage on the page where the article is on the Citizen web site – see the link that I gave when I posted the article. Our revolution cannot fail to pass through a mass cultural struggle, comrades, in my opinion. This cultural struggle is long overdue, in my opinion. It is more than appropriate that the YCL is firing the first salvos in this cultural battle. Whether one agrees with Cde Castro at the tactical level, you cannot say that he is wrong to raise this question at all. If you say that, then you are at a loss for any leadership, and have resigned yourselves to an endless diet of hollow, counter-revolutionary bourgeois culture. Seize the time, comrades! VC! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 June 2009 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Ban soapies: YCL >Comrades I think the statement of the YCL is out of order, maybe cde's run in shortage of idea's. Forum comrades, please comment! > > > > > > Ban soapies: YCL > > > > > > CEDRIC MBOYISA, The Citizen, 12 June 2009 > > > > From: http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=98080,1,22 > > > > JOHANNESBURG - If Young Communist League (YCL) spokesman Castro Ngobese > has his way, soapies will be banned from South African television > screens - just when President Jacob Zuma's daughter, Gugulethu, has > landed a role in the SABC soap Isidingo. > > > > "To begin with, soapies suck," Ngobese said yesterday. > > > > "Without being populist or aspiring to be a populist, soapies must go," > he said. > > > > He argued that soapies, which are very popular throughout the country, > are used by the rich to advance a capitalist agenda. > > > > "Marxism teaches us that soapies are programmes created for the elite > for their own enjoyment and amusement. > > > > "Their main core function is that of reinforcing in the entertainment > sphere a capitalist logic and morals which are necessary for the > reproduction of a dog-eat-dog society," he added. > > > > The Beeld newspaper yesterday reported that Gugulethu Zuma will soon > star in Isidingo. > > > > Zuma, 24, is the daughter of the President and his former wife, Home > Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma. > > She secured a role in the drama after three auditions and is scheduled > to hit the nation's TV screens on July 1 as Lesedi Moloi, a character > who returns to South Africa after having lived abroad for five years. > > > > Zuma told Beeld that she was not really interested in politics. > > > > The daily flighting of soapie dramas such as Scandal,Generations and > Rhythm City was meant to "defocus" the working class and the poor youth > from the primary struggle - the class struggle, he said. > > > > "The reality is that most of our people cannot relate to this soapie > circus; only a selected filthy rich (sic) can be co-opted to this > opulent lifestyle as depicted in soapies," he said. > > > > Asked by The Citizen whether he watched soapies, Ngobese said he did, > but only in order to be able defend his anti-soapie stance. > > > > He called on the youth to disapprove of soapies by drawing on the > "radicalism and militancy unleashed by the generation of 1976". > > > > "Our revolution will not triumph if public institutions like the SABC > are advancing programmes that are inconsistent with our revolutionary > programme and they succumb to the whims and dictates of the ruling > class," he said.\ > > > > [email protected] > <http://www.citizen.co.za/index/%0d%0a%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20mail > to:%[email protected]> > > > > > > What you say ( > http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=98080,1,22) > > > > Just another coon wanting to blow his mouth of at something he does not > understand. > > Koos > 6/12/2009 9:23:46 AM > > > > It is high time Youth of SA should begin to behave in a highly sober > minded and analyse what their so called self proclaimed leaders says on > daily basis. Who the hell is Ngobese? to tell people that the soapies > staffs are used by the rich to advance capitalism, that is ridiculous. > How many brothers of ours who are getting paid through those programmes? > Youth should wake up now is the time, anything that does not give either > the ANCYL OR YCL a direct benefit it will ba called names. Is it because > in one political debate organized by the Mpho Tsedu a son to the chief > editor of citypress Mathata Tsedu against Hlomla before the elections > their tsedu was taken from the work go through debate, is this the > reason why soapies should be banned? Come Ngobese why understanding that > people are from different schools of thought, it indicate clearly that > you are from a school of doomed more especially on Maxism. Dont > continuously read document upside down, in fact you are an > embarrassment. > > Simon > 6/12/2009 9:02:05 AM > > > > Well seems like the YCL should be rather termed the Young Confused > League, because despite all their masquarades and misplaced > understanding of communism, it has not worked anywhere in the world and > history can show that. Countries like china after years of failure moved > to capitalism and now are the Global giant, Russia as well amongst > others, so Castro get your facts right and contribute progressively to > this Country. You are really pathetic!!!!! > > JOKONIYA > 6/12/2009 8:56:18 AM > > > > The leaders i respect are those that embrace diversity and freedom for > people to choose. Its sad that everyday someone has anti-ism issue to > air out there. That's not radicalism but misplaced and misinterpretation > of a failed maxism. > > Tshepo > 6/12/2009 8:09:38 AM > > > > Castro Ngobese, it is time the youth league grows up. You and your lot > sounds like a soapie, going on and on and on and on and on and > on........... Rather get some education and improve your comrades' > lives!!!!!! After you have grown up, call yourself the ADULT LEAGUE > > Ziggy > 6/12/2009 7:29:21 AM > > > > YCL with its Castro are living in their own world twisted by misguided > Marxist ideologies which have failed dismally. I think Castro reads too > much of Marxist nonsense and tries disparately to apply it in this > modern world which has discarded communism. Who(YCL & Castro)think they > are to decide what should happen with TV programmes? Marxist ideology? > > James > 6/12/2009 7:20:25 AM > > > > I wouldn't mind if they ban soapies. Although my reasons are very > different from this militant nonsense. > > My life is already a soapie! I don't need TV to show me greed, hatred, > fighting and bad relationships. > > Rather give me something that expands the mind. National Geo. Discovery. > > I don't get this soapie mania. During the elections people even voted > based on soapie star affiliations! How sad is that? They are people like > everybody else. They even go to the loo just like me and you! > > Anti-Soapie > 6/12/2009 7:19:32 AM > > > > To comment, go to > http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=98080,1,22 > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
