Claire, you also have not taken into account the entire thread, and in particular the quote I gave from "Value, Price and Profit" by Karl Marx. One could also quote Lenin, from "What is to be Done". For example, *here<http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/1902,+Lenin,+What+Is+To+Be+Done> *.
Their point is that everything is "determined" by capital, unless the working class is determined to make a revolution. They argue in favour of the leadership of the revolutionary party. They argue against believing in spontaneity. You seem to be promoting an idea of a gradual upturn in a sort of "Revolutionary Confidence Index", like the Business Confidence Index. You seem to be hoping that this "Revolutionary Confidence Index" will reach a "tipping point" where revolution will automatically occur. Please by all means correct me if I am wrong to get this impression from what you have written on this thread. When a task is mastered, anyone needs a more challenging task to face. The working class has mastered the task of negotiating wages and conditions. Now it must set its sights higher. The articulation of such new tasks needs the agency of the revolutionary party. That is what it is for. Now is the time to discuss such goals. VC 2009/8/4 claire ceruti <[email protected]> > > It would help if you read the entire thread before commenting. Other > readers, I beg your indulgence while I repeat myself: > > >"but does this mean these > >struggles are anti capitalist or normal within the > >framework of the logic of capitalism. Therefore we can > >conclude that once wage agreements are reached every thing > >will go back to "normal". > > Even if things do go back to 'normal' (which is never determined in > advance) > the outcome still matters because it affects confidence of workers in their > own activity and therefore the balance of class forces when next there is > an > attack from capital. > > >Neither should we seek to solely > >Understand what is before us through the lense of the > >media. > > I didn't. I went on strike marches and to picket lines. I talked to a lot > of > union members and ordinary workers. I listened to the speeches from the > platform. How did you reach your conclusions? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mxolisi Mlatha > Sent: 04 August 2009 10:30 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Anti-poverty protests in SA ? > > > Ceruti > > Is this your own interpretation or what is your view on the > matter? What is the meaning of COSATU's stalinist > stranglehold over the workers that you are refering to, can > you explain what you mean or what you understand it to > mean? the last time I check except for the doctors strike > which was an unprotected strike, all the recent strike > actions were led by COSATU unions the most recent being the > SAMWU and CEPPAWU strikes. > > We should not become too imaginary when the facts are all > there before us to digest. Neither should we seek to solely > understand what is before us through the lense of the > media. I still maintain that there is a great hyperbole > about the essense of these strikes. Ofcourse the cyclical > capitalist economic downturn has meant that the militancy > of the workers is heightned, but does this mean these > struggles are anti capitalist or normal within the > framework of the logic of capitalism. Therefore we can > conclude that once wage agreements are reached every thing > will go back to "normal". > --- > Sent from UnionMail Service [http://mail.union.org.za] > > > > > > -- Blog at: http://domza.blogspot.com/ Communist University web site at: http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ Subscribe for free e-mail updates at: http://groups.google.com/group/Communist-University/ Library of documents (CU "CD") at: http://cu.domza.net/ [email protected] --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
