Cde Phasha, Thnx 4 the well written information rich response. Opportunists have a tendency of using communists status when they want to pursue their opportunistic agendas. It therefore make their opportunistic actions legitimate if publicly supported by national leaders of either YCL or SACP. Cdes should learn to engage the leadership within that vicinity to find out if violent programmes are orchestrated or facilitated by the organisation b4 making pronouncements. Some comrades assembly thugs to fight 4 their feeble-minded, personal cause at the expense of masses using names of progressive structures. This process and tendency shall stop. It is not only by vote that democracy prevails. The vote should be accompanied by free_ness and fairness. Let the right will of the Moutse people come true. It should do so without any means of violence, threats and fears. Democracy and violence are two opposite phenomena thus cannot merge at any point. Political thuggery has rocked the country. People use strikes and mass actions to perform their criminal acts. No matter how many times they do it or whatever justification they give, it will remain thuggery. Amandla!
On 10/30/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Cadres, I do not agree with how cde digoma expressed his views but I equelly > differ with the biased poistion that cde khaye took on the matter.one would > be tempted to ask this rhetorical question who excatly was cde khaye > congratulating? Cde khaye choose to congratulate the so called moutse people > on the basis of a personal statetment made by selp appointed spokersperson > in the name of aphane. As far as I'm concerned the minister responsible had > at that not released a statement nor results but cde khaye goes on to > congratulate pro mpumalanga group 4 winning as if our people were engaged in > some fight. The reality cde khaye is that the process which unfolded there > was flawed with many irreqularities. The Anc Nec agreed to adopt a political > program which will see Nec members visiting affected villages b4 the actual > consultations by the minister. We were all shocked to see the minister > addressing masses at phildalphia n announcing his referendum without the > involvment of key stakeholders such as Alliance,traditioinal leaders, > religios, youth and civil society structures. It is aslo mind bockling to > see that the minister only went to moutse to determine the future of more > than 300000 people residing in two municipalities. People in villages > outsite moutse were not even aware of the process hence the low turnout. > Another critical issue is the violent atmosphere created by the so called > moutse dermacation forum mesquariding as communist. For your info there is > nothing communist about those hooligans, we talking here of war mongers, > criminals n rapist. we witnessed unprecedented violence acts against people > seen to be pro limpopo weeks b4 the referendum, female comrades were raped, > coucillor's cars were burned and comrades were generaly victimised n > intimidated. The reason why tax mafia`s support mpumalanga move is bcuz they > don't want to be subjected to govermment laws as is the case in limpopo. We > are told more than 3000 taxis operate illegaly with old permit frm > mpumalanga, they refuse to be screened n verified in limpopo. So cde khaye, > how do u declare public suupport for hooligans who undermine govertment > laws? We should also be carefull not to reinvent aparttyheid by promoting > barbaric tendencies such as tribalism. The anti pedi sentiments expressed by > some in moutse is dangerous n unfortunate. People publicly declare > themselves as ndebeles n therfore not of limpopo's genetic orgin. We > certainly support the will of the people but that shoulld not be at the > expense of others. Let there be a fair procees wherein people will be > thorougly consulted in a peaceful atmosphere. We must also seperate real > issues frm opportunists who hijack genuine community concerns for their > selfish interets. Sekhukhune remains unapoligiticaly a revolutionary region, > we were the first region to host Jz immediatly after he was fired by mbeki, > some of individuals such as aphane were supporting wrong groups towards > polokwane but they come to opportuisticaly praise the same polokwane today. > On our way to polokwane, sekhukhune region was the first to pronounce on the > top six after youth league n kzn. Majority of these peace time dermcation > heroes were quite n no where to be seen. Sien mogotsi is not a revolutionary > n he will never be, he is a son of a white man who opprssed our peole for a > long time, on why cde khaye praised him n his cronies we don't know. What we > know is that peole are not stupid, very soon the truth will come out. Cde > mbalulaa was correct when he addrrssed a rally last month here inb > sekhukhune “ we are not a banana republic, those who destroy properties, > harrass our people and undermine governent in the name of communist or > concern groups will be dealt with” > > Let us abstain from making potentialy dangerous n divisive statement as > national leaders. We look up to u for leadership n quidence cde khaye > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Solly" <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:32:04 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: In defence of Polokwane... Moutse to > Mpumalanga > > Comrade let's respect the democracy 'the people have the right to choose' > where they want to belong. We must stop firing each other; we must respect > the views of other comrades. Tshepo if you don't agree with cde Khaye about > Moutse matter tell us your view instead of exposing your ignorance. Let's > debate and discuss the issues constructively. > > > > Aluta > > Cde Solly Ndlovu > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kanego, Clarence > Thete > Sent: 29 October 2009 04:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: In defence of Polokwane... Moutse to > Mpumalanga > > > > Tshepo, I do not know whether to call you a comrade or what. What you wrote > here about our Deputy National Secretary, is disturbing and derogative to > one of our great YCLSA Leaders. I find mind boggling that you will attack > Cde Khaye out of just a sentence expressing himself of what is reported to > be the status in relation to the Moutse matter. Remember, the SACP, YCL > and the entire MDM Structures would not go agaisnt the views and interest > of > the majority. If you fail to infuence the communities in Moutse against its > Demarcation into Mpumalanga, do not come to this forum and expose yourself. > You should have convinced those people in Moutse if you were genuine about > your insinuations! > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:08 PM, tshepo digomo <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > morena khanye nkwanyana or dinkonyana whatever i think you need to respect > your position when dealing with issues of this nature your congrats and > compliments to the so-called mutse comrades are ill-guided an shows your > level of political immaturity. first let me highlight to you that in > Sekhukhune District there is only one SACP and YCL District which Mutse > forms part and parcel of so in this district there is nothing labelled > Mutse > SACP District or so-called Mutse COMRADES. You know come all the way > without > recognizing the views of the Sekhukhune District YCL > ,ANCYL,ANC,SANCO,COSATU,SACP, SEBATAKGOMO, TRADITIONAL LEADERS FORUMS in > Sekhukhune ETC just to make noise with your sick political science 101 > english claiming to be a communist. maybe you are one of those Working and > the Poor Evangelist but happens to be a board member of various bourgeoise > companies. You should atleast opted to get the views of the leadership of > the district before coming here to congratulate the agenda you dont > understand. you see in Mutse you have a political agenda by some comrades > like you who are intersted in breaking sekhukhune district so they > provincial disturb politics in limpopo so you have a no more politically > influencial sekhukhune region which helps your agendas as far as politics > are concerned nationally. i swear you it wont succeed we beaten your uncle > Thabo Mbeki when he wanted to do same. Demarcation Heroes can make noise as > they want with your support from high offices but Sekhukhune would not > break > and Mutse would remain in Limpopo and in Particular Sekhukhune Region. > speak > to your ycl there if there is any to go to hell how do you co-opt taxi > industry knowing theirt calibre to engage in this political process and > expect fair results then you have YCL leader making congratulations is > this > not defeating what you claim to represent. we are tired of people like you > who appears politically smart speaking nice Marxist-Lenist politics but > they > practice and conduct themselves like the Oppenheimers. we have again the > District Leadership of the YCL led by cde Polaki Mahlase and District SACP > lead by Cde Kgopelo Phasha as a district secretary so you should consider > checking with them before your TUTU-ism culture. I believe the president of > ANCYL was right about some tendencies you project. they are so bad. No so > called a Communist with ownership of SHARES in you ANGLO-DE-BEERS SAMANCOR > will succeed in breaking and diving our region in fact the land of King > Sekhukhune e fihla ko Lekwe. and were descendats you and your few friends > shall not win. if any boy is who is descendant of the former colonizers > thing will advance his grandfathers agenda in the this Thabo Mbeki age of > hope will not succeed even if they use TAXI OWNERS as their military wing > we > shall rebel we will also KILL the fact we are not responding FIRE to FIRE > doesnt mean we are cowards or stupids but happens to respect our democracy. > > > > > > Amandla! > > Viva President Julius Malema Viva > > Viva former President Fikile Mbalula Viva > > --- On Fri, 9/10/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: In defence of Polokwane... Moutse to > Mpumalanga > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 11:47 > > > > >> well done comrade of Moutse with your struggles. indeed this is two-nil >> led >> by the Party from Khutsong now there is real hope for Matatiel community >> and >> the District of the communist party there. this has been the real >> assertion >> of the party's sixth element of the site of power - the communists in the >> community. well done comrades on your victory after the referendum! >> >> khaye Nkwanyana >> YCL Deputy National Secretary. >> >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dominic Tweedie >> <[email protected] > <http://uk.mc273.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>wrote: >> >>> I received this discussion document today from Malebo Mmako, with the >>> message: >>> >>> "Hi Comrades.... Let us inform the nation and debate..." >>> >>> I have subscribed the comrade to the YCLSA Discussion Forum so that he >>> can >>> join in the debate. >>> >>> >>> VC >>> >>> >>> ** >>> *In defence of Polokwane.Moutse to Mpumalanga* >>> ** >>> >>> *1. **Background * >>> >>> The 2007 Polokwane national conference of the African National Congress >>> that saw the victory of popular forces led by the working class and the >>> poor >>> together with the September 2008 presidential recall ushered in and laid >>> a >>> solid foundation for popular struggles in many communities to reclaim >>> their >>> space and provide strategic leadership to the popular discontent with >>> government and or the state. >>> >>> The South African Communist Party branches in Moutse sought cease the >>> moment and provide much needed strategic leadership to drive the agenda >>> as >>> espoused in the medium term vision of the party therefore to build >>> working >>> class hegemony on the terrain of the national democratic revolution. >>> >>> This took the form of heightening popular mobilization of our entire >>> community behind the 12th National Congress resolution on the party and >>> the communities which sought to campaign to ensure that decisions on >>> demarcation are made democratically with key guiding principles being >>> the >>> objectives of our national democratic revolution and the will of the >>> people. >>> >>> As a consequence of those popular struggles on the one hand and both >>> Polokwane and our 12th congress resolution, the NEC of the AN C took a >>> decision to take back Merafong to Gauteng while consulting with other >>> affected areas of Moutse and Matatiele guided by both Polokwane and >>> 12thparty congress resolutions. >>> >>> *2. **Stages in Consultations* >>> >>> 1. The Minister of Provincial and Local government and CEC member >>> Cde >>> Sicelo Shiceka constituted a team of officials in his office led by Cde >>> Nhlakanipho Nkotwana which convened all stakeholders to voice their >>> views on >>> the 19th December 2008 in Dennilton Moutse and Not less than 50 >>> stakeholders participated and presented their views in this process and >>> overwhelmingly wanted to go back to Mpumalanga. >>> 2. On the 5th and the 14th February 2009, the Secretary General of >>> the ANC and our National Chairperson Cde Gwede Mantashe led a team of >>> Cdes >>> from Both provinces led ANC Provincial Secretaries in Joe Maswanganyi >>> and >>> Lucky Ndinisa with alliance patners Cde Solly Mapaila from SACP and Cde >>> Ayanda from MKVA visited Groblersdal and Dennilto respectively to listen >>> to >>> the views of stakeholders in relation to demarcation issue. >>> 3. In March, the same team visited Moutse in a follow-up to inspect >>> all projects cited during presentations for and against Limpopo with a >>> view >>> to concretizing presentations and subsequent presentation of a report to >>> the >>> NEC. >>> 4. Consequently, Cabinet took a decision in April shortly before >>> elections confirming an earlier decision of the NEC that there must be a >>> consultative village based process to test the views of our people in a >>> scientific way to assist the ANC NEC to come to a determination. >>> 5. On the 10th of October 2009, The ANC Secretary General / >>> National >>> Chairperson Cde Gwede Mantashe convened a meeting at Luthuli house >>> attended >>> by ANC Provincial Chairperson of limpopo and Sekhukhune Regional >>> Chairperson >>> Cde Cassel Mathale and David Magabe respectivey together Cde Malusi >>> Gigaba >>> (ANC Mpumalang NEC deployee) and Kgosi Piet Mathebe with >>> representatives >>> of Moutse SACP branches and other structures in Moutse. >>> 6. The meeting was briefed and given documents entitled *process >>> plan >>> for consultations in Moutse and Matatiele* which provided a step by step >>> guide to the consultations in this area's leading up to the 28th to the >>> 02 >>> nd October 2009 views testing process. >>> 7. On the 27th September 2009,Cde Sicelo Shiceka briefed all >>> stakeholders who converged at Dennilton Philadelphia Hospital on the >>> state >>> of readiness of his department to kick start the process of testing the >>> views and subsequently addressed community at the OR Tambo Stadium >>> re-affirming the process of testing their views beginning the following >>> morning. >>> 8. This process took place within a climate and or an environment >>> of >>> peace and security as police were mobilized as well as the technical >>> support >>> that was given to the department by the IEC. The Departmental officials >>> were >>> properly trained and briefed of all eventualities and were able to deal >>> with >>> issues of disputes that arose from time to time. All people whose views >>> were >>> tested appeared on the voters roll for the 22nd April 2009 elections and >>> were monitored by our Cdes and other structures that had an interest on >>> the >>> matter. >>> 9. Although municipalities of Marble-hall and Elias Motsawledi >>> invested public resources for people to vote for Limpopo, there were no >>> serious incidences of corruption and crime. >>> 10. In both Municipalities, around 37% of registered voters came out to >>> vote and an overwhelming 74% voted in favor of Mpumalanga. Considering >>> voter >>> turnout of 44% in local government elections of the year 2000 and 48% in >>> 2006 respectively, we have done very well collectively to ensure that as >>> many people as possible participate in this process in defense of our >>> 12th >>> Congress resolution. >>> >>> *3. **Views testing and the new anti left tendencies* >>> >>> 1. As a consequence of the dismal performance by Limpopo in the >>> views >>> testing exercise due to the popular mobilization and organizational >>> coherence of the SACP brances in Moutse in defense of both Polokwane and >>> Party Congress resolutions, the ANC Sekhukhune region convened a Special >>> General Council on the 04th October 2009 to assess their performance >>> because of their earlier resolution to campaign for people of Moutse to >>> remain and vote for Limpopo. >>> 2. Although it was not surprising that a deep seated anger will be >>> directed at the branches of the SACP and other popular forces/segments >>> in >>> Moutse, it became very worrying when the Special General Council called >>> for >>> the sacking of Cde Gwede Mantashe ,Cde Blade Nzimande and Cde Sicelo >>> Shiceka from the NEC of the ANC as well as the sacking of 12 ANC >>> councilors >>> and 1 municipal official ( Cde Patrick Aphane) for taking a stand and >>> defending the 12th congress resolution of the party on this issue. >>> *3. *Our internal discussion document in preparation of the >>> 2ndSpecial National Congress captures this attitude very well when it >>> says that >>> there is a new *elitist tendencies within our movement which does not >>> seek >>> to abolish the (class) instruments and power built by the 1996 class >>> project >>> in both our movement the state but seek to lay its hand on these >>> instruments >>> to advance its own factional class interest and the total demobilization >>> of >>> the ANC and the working class.* >>> 4. Of particular concern is when tenderpreneurs masquerading as >>> traditional leaders seek to lead the popular struggles to subjugate the >>> views of the people and total demobilization of the SACP while on the >>> other >>> hand seeking to befriend those who has political leverage on power and >>> resources of our state in a way that blurs the line between business >>> interest and government service in a popular democracy like south >>> Africa. >>> 5. The SACP in Moutse branches resolved never to falter in this >>> particularly challenging environment which seeks to demobilize and >>> suppress >>> popular mobilization of the working class and the poor in defense of the >>> medium term vision to build working class hegemony on the terrain of the >>> national democratic revolution. >>> >>> >>> Communists to the front to build a better socialist world.... >>> >>> Patrick Aphane >>> SACP Stompo Branch Secretary >>> 082 934 5637 >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >> >> > >> > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > "Webmail for nuts!" > http://squirrelmail.org/ > > > <br > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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