Chief yet again you have first lost the point, and by your ongoing stagnation in trying hard to convince yourself that telling it like it is is insulting.
I will however take your comment as uninformed and would seek your to clear me point blank on what insults have you observed in my contribution. One for me to part take in this revolution is not of symphathy to Bourgeoisie nor will I find space to respectively engage Capitalism... I have no respect for corrupt individuals, lairs and factionalist who have posse as part of us... there are only two sides in the revolution its the class and the enemy of the class... I am convinced that looters, unti-working class, neither the less they will ater as those that are class conscious. I am not apologetic nor shall I ever be for my despise of bourgeoisie. I do believe that my on going hate for Capital will for ever make me revolutionary reliable not only to me nor to you... but to the future, and clearly you wish not to know it as mine is Socialism hence I say Socialismo o Muerte. In Xhosa kuthiwa "Andincengwa kuthandwa". I also need to clearfy you on some misconceptions that you hold, and probably you are delibarately trying to convince yourself it is correct to do as such. My personalising and individualising the communist party and redusing it to Kotane , HAni and whoever have and might have led it is an entrenched dilibarete atempt to advanced Factionalism in this revolutionary organisation. I is however incorrect for you my dear cader to advanced your ancestorious believes in the communist party. Neither Hani nor Slovo were philosophers and this cant be correct that we embasile some new ideologies we are of the view some of us that Marx was, and that is why we are a Marxist party... but however fellow combatant if you fell so attached to some revelations or ideologies that I may not have knowledge of advanced by Hani or Slovo you equally have a right to open you Hanist or Slovo-ist organisation, remember you are living in a democratic country you have a previlage to open such organization take COPE. Secondary to your comment you say that "Hold your views about the character of the working class and that of the Communist of today" I would advise you to post such view in this blog so that we have the liberty to clarify you, probably you are been misled by hypothetical thinking's of some like your said Juju and other but I will however understand that some have now even in the party proven to be what I call "Ideological Hermaphrodites" I will await your views . Socialismo o muerte!!! ________________________________ From: Nndwamato Mutshidza <[email protected]> To: YCL SA Discussion Blog <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 10:45:49 AM Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema sings new tune on nationalisation But also Sthe, You continue to use slur on other cdes as if your the only correct student of Marx in this South African Revolution. To me you come out as a person with serious sufferance either as a results of not accepting the concept of democratic centralism and inabililty to link theory and practice. We have said and we are going to say, this is not the language of the Party of Slovo, Kotane and Hani wherein cdes reduces themselves into conveyor belts of insulting others on the basis of differences in approach. While cde Morgan has his view regarding what he termed the character of Capitalism, I also hold my views about the character of the working class and that of the Communist of today. But we must find a space for all of us to co-exist such that no one must claim to be a big brother or sister of the other. Please cdes, commissars and ideologue, engage with the contents of what others are raising without attaching labels or insulting, because it then makes it difficult for us to differentiate who is who in this regards. I remain >>> Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> 3/3/2010 10:27 AM >>> Cde Morgan, if you were to remember capitalism is like a chameleon with features of an amoeba that's why you'll find so many about turns. For me the discussion is not much about the YL's nationalization but the class character of the dominant ideas within the YL. If we were to get clarities around such then one will understand the cause of Malemas rabbies. The ordinary members of the YL should pose a question as to what inspired them to join the Yl, and if the answer is about championing the interests of young people, they should them ask how does public,private partnership assist in championing such interests, When cde Jeremy tried to honestly caution the YL, little did he know that theirs was not a mistake but a deliberate attempt to give away the only hope that young people had, the ANCYL. There is an Islamic saying that says do not let Shaitan beguile you in regard to Allah, so in simple interpretation from a class content one will say do not let the YL or bourgoiesie mislead you in the name of the working class. In anycase, if some within the YL leadership collective thinks that all members are docile then they must therefore associate themselves with cde TM who also thought that all ANC members were easier to mislead. I fully agree with cde Khaya that Julius is a demagogue and a Stalinist dictator with Floyd serving as Molotov who destroyed all the enemies of Stalin thinking it was for a revolutionary cause. Gangsterism or what the party correctly termed as Kebble-ism is the only purpose of Malema's existence in YL politics and Aggliotism (a practice of telling lies accompanied by brutality in order to survive) is Floyd's means of survival within the gangsta paradise of Malema (current YL NEC). In every thing that these lumpen bourgoisie does, they must know that the might of the working class has never been defeated. Cde Mandela once said they will not rejoice or find rest until every child goes to bed having had something to eat, until every child has access to education and medical health care. All what Madiba said will not come from above or bestowed by bourgeoisie, they will only come through working class victory in a class struggle. Stealing from the poor is an understatement,hence Malema says they will not do such, they will in fact loot and rob the poor. what is the difference between Malema and Goerge W Bush Jnr who kills innocent women and children in the name of peace. Ours is to mobilise young people against these sudden culture of tenderpreneurship which defeats the ANC's objective of creating decent jobs and fight for a better life for all irrespective of their political affiliation. Away with bling and verbal diarrhea, Socialismo o Muerte, Avant Garde!!! -----Original Message----- From: morgan phaahla Sent: 02/03/2010 3:18:22 pm Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema sings new tune on nationalisation Revolutionary greetings, Comrades, I'm still wondering why nothing has been forthcoming from you in relation to the ANCYL shift from the wholesale nationalisation in which the state takes majority ownership of the mines into a new "public-private partnerships" model, which I do not understand its modus operandi in line with the overall thrust of our developmental path with bias towards the working class and the poor in particular. This mooted "public-private partnerships" model sounds like a notion of nationalising in order to privatise. Is there anyone with details as to what informed this about-turn? Let's engage! Morgan "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema sings new tune on nationalisation To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:40 AM Malema sings new tune on nationalisation Karima Brown, Business Day, Johannesburg, 23 February 2010 IN AN apparent climb-down yesterday, African National Congress Youth League leader Julius Malema — against a background of his unexplained wealth — told a media briefing the league’s push for the nationalisation of mines in SA amounted to “public-private partnerships”. But this stance sits uncomfortably with the expropriation model for state ownership that the league punts in its position paper: “The manner in which nationalisation will be approached will neither be generalised compensation nor generalised expropriation without compensation. Expropriation without compensation should apply for mines that are not profitable, laying off huge numbers of workers and in financial crises.” Malema, who defended his right to be involved in private business after weekend newspapers reported how his companies had benefited from construction contracts in Limpopo to the tune of R130m, said the youth league’s position paper on nationalisation did not call for “total” state ownership. “We are saying the state must have majority shareholding and we want the formation of a state-owned mining company. We are not in Stalin’s Soviet Union,” he said. Yesterday Malema was on the back foot and had to explain how he engaged in business for private gain in areas like construction while being at the forefront of arguing for state ownership of SA’s mineral wealth. “Some people call it public- private partnerships, we call it nationalisation,” he said. Malema saw no contradiction between encouraging the league’s constituency to engage in private enterprise in all fields and its nationalisation push. He said the league remained optimistic it would get all role players to accept the need for a policy shift on the issue. But Malema conceded that nationalisation was not government policy. While the Congress of South African Trade Unions has supported the league’s drive, the South African Communist Party (SACP) has cautioned against nationalisation turning into “state capitalism” that benefits just a few well connected black business people. Malema said they would engage the SACP and hoped to convince them on the issue. “The SACP is also a potential ally in nationalisation. In fact we are going to engage them on their resolution which calls for the renationalisation of Sasol and Mittal Steel,” Malema said. But the SACP has raised several questions about the league’s nationalisation efforts. These centre largely on their concern that the league’s version of state ownership could end up benefiting narrow black middle- class interests which have become dominant in the state. Instead, the SACP has called for an amendment to the Petroleum Resources Development Act in order to ensure the socialisation of SA’s mineral wealth beyond formal state control. From: http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=94437 -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. 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