Comrades, It's hard nowadays to understand what had happen to those valuable and scholarly inputs used to be posted on this forum, including the culture of robust and constructive engagement. It appears that a new tendency of trading insults, personal malevolence and provocation bordering on controversialism has replaced genuine deliberations, in conflict with our political discourse. Or, it's a generation issue? I fully endorse a view of cadres who emphasise the need to create a space for healthy debates and agree to disagree, as there is nothing wrong with expressing a different view as long as the manner in which it's expressed does not feed into conspiracy theories or conservative liberal thinking.
For instance, it's rogue for a comrade to argue with great vigour that "i hate politicians who ague principles as and when the suit them" when the statement is not only misleading and superfluous but serves no useful purpose to the discussion or the conference. Those comrades need to follow rules of engagement to handle a difference of opinion without resorting to point-scoring lies to champion a particular agenda. Cde VC is quite right in that we start to moderating ourselves along those considerations, a difference of opinion is necessary as it does not only sharpen the debate but create comprehension to stimulate the discussion. I mean, everyone knows that cde VC has an obligation to moderate this forum however he adopted a different approach in good faith that cadres would moderate themselves when robustly engaged on issues of national economic and political imperative, "even when there's evidence of sharp contradictions". Maybe cde Gugu has a valid argument in saying some comrades "seem to have distorted connotations about the discussion forum itself." The rot seems to have entreched itself in a negative or aggressive manner in our movement whilst the forum is deeply infiltrated by anti-communist tendencies. I therefore challenge delegates to the upcoming YCL conference to note the importance of political education to enable new and old cadres to sharpen their reasoning when confronted with such neo-liberal tendencies from within and every centre of society. To this end, let's agree to disagree and not waste time on arguments that have no purpose - it's just a difference of opinion not a difference in ideology. And this can be achieved when we're discipline at all times. Accordingly, I would like to wish YCL a successful conference and commend outgoing leadership in their collective ability to lead the organisation at this critical time of provocative aggression against Communism. We, communists, shall prevail in the pursuit of the goals of our national democratic revolution together with our Alliance partners in the interests of a victorious struggle of the people. Aluta Continua! Remain, Morgan Phaahla "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] YCL CONFERENCE To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 1:28 AM maybe you should start by being disciplined and lead by example. You seem to have distorted connotations about the discussion forum itself. No one is intolerant of any views in the forum ,however if people want to sensationalize conspiracy theories on this platform ,maybe its advisable that they find other forums else where, which thrive on such behavior. This discussion forum has continuously afforded a platfrom to comrades and friends to robustly engage, intellectually even when there's evidence of sharp contradictions. Lets not reduce the forum to a venom spitting "virtual-shebeen". There are a number of issues we can engage on even that of the YCL Congress and the YCL in its entirety for that matter. I do not recall Domza prohibiting anyone who has discerning views to engage on this forum regards, On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Bongani Dlamini <[email protected]> wrote: Well it is Domza's group and we must be careful what we write and express or one can find himself more moderated than others just for honestly expressing his view... However I do agree that the benchmarking of terms in revolutionary organization like the YCL and the SACP is not a matter of principles, and agree further that Cde Skizo lost it when quoting cde Manamela. But I would also just edge that comrades let us debate the matter and other serious organizational matters in the congress with out these tensions and un-informed skepticism. Lastly we know how comrade Domza has blogged many comrades who seem to hold different views from those of him, so I would edge comrades to be careful when addressing issues in the YCL Domza moderated forum... "Revolutionaries should always tell the truth" Jeje Yaqub On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: We are all under moderation. Some are more moderated than others. Especially Skizo. VC On 8 December 2010 17:11, Moses Ka Moyo <[email protected]> wrote: Cde Domza can you kindly share the list of those under Moderation . Thanks Moses Ka Moyo On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: When you use quote marks you must be careful. Using quote marks around something that a person didn't say amounts to blatant lying. It is not the case that everybody bans a third term. It is not the case in the SACP or in COSATU or in the ANC. It is not the case in the British parliament and it is not the case in Cuba. The compulsory two-term limit is a US idea and is really an Imperialist idea for the reason that they are trying to get us to conform with their ways. There are many bad effects of the two-term limit. One of them is that there is no end to the competition for the Presidency - it goes on all the time because people are already positioning themselves for the race ten, fifteen or even twenty years ahead of time, let alone five years ahead. There is nothing of "principle" in a two-term limit. It is an arbitrary blockage, and not a principle. So Skizo, your message is really a piece of rudeness and malice of the kind that is not wanted here. You are on the moderation list. No more, please. VC On 8 December 2010 15:18, Skizo Skizo <[email protected]> wrote: Buti Manamela use to say " leaders come and go, we dont need third term" referring to mbeki`s candidancy for ANC presidency. Now the YCL congress start today and he is contesting for third term. i hate politicians who ague principles as and when the suit them.What is ur take cdes -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. 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