Comrades, I maintain my view if there are people who died because they believed that Ps Chris cured them and as result they neglected their treatment and eventually passed on because of that then pastor Christ must be arrested because that is culpable homicide.cdes I am a christian and I believe that there no greater miracle than living a purposeful life despite your circumstances. The greatest sickness facing our world is people living a life of hopelessness. We teach our people to live a life full of hope, nothing more nothing less. Cde Lerato
On 2/4/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Cadre must clear that communist do not agree with God,or is communist > ant-God.this is not true,in fact its a propaganda by imperialist and is a > capitalist agenda,to demonise communism as a system that is anti-God.plz > comrade let's not drag communist in this church adverts saga.if comrade need > a debate of communist view on God,let's arrange a separate meeting for that > discussion. > > Amandla > Forward with socialism forward > Phillip > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Godfrey Simelane" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:17:34 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Etv ordered to pull 'miracle' ads > > > I believe in God and that "nothing is impossible with Him" and so I support > the message by Ps Chris. There is nothing to hide, I also dont believe that > these should be kept within the walls of the church.....instead it should be > preached even to the anti-Christ. > > I dont believe that communist teachings are against our beliefs as > Christians........ if so please let it be clear. > > Amandla !! > Amen > > > >>>> "Ntokozo Lwandle" <[email protected]> 2/4/2011 12:41 PM >>> > Yes there is nothing wron with conveying a message that people can be healed > in > God's grace. I am also a believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ but this > should be kept within church walss because desperate people can misinterpret > it > and die like it has already happened. However I disagree with Cde Lerato, > Pastor Chris doesnt have to be arrested as such. to a certain extent I > belive > in his theory that peopl should first develop faith and then healing will > take > place. > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:35:25 +0200 Lerato Motimele <[email protected]> > wrote > >> Thanks TAC,we needed that. We cannot afford having false prophets >> deceiving our people. The same should happen with pamphlets and other >> print adverts. I am christian but this so called "new age >> christianity" is destroying our people. I think pastor Chris must be >> arrested. Cde Lerato >> >> On 2/4/11, zingisani nkanjeni <[email protected]> wrote: >> > A charismatic church cannot prove that its pastors can perform healing >> > miracles, the Advertising Standards Authority of South Africa (Asasa) >> > has >> > ruled – and the church has to withdraw all such advertisements from >> > e.tv. >> > >> > The Christ Embassy is an international organisation headed by Pastor >> > Chris >> > Oyakhilome with branches in Cape Town and Gauteng and a number in other >> > countries. >> > >> > The church paid R2.6 million to have its 24-minute “faith healing” >> > programme >> > run on etv for 52 weeks where it claimed that people could be cured of >> > illnesses and diseases such as Aids and cancer. >> > >> > The Treatment Action Campaign (TAC) lodged a complaint with Asasa in >> > November 2009 and on Wednesday the advertising body ruled that e.tv had >> > to >> > remove the programme. >> > >> > The TAC lodged the complaint after a woman who was on tuberculosis >> > medication stopped her treatment when she was “cured” by the church, > but >> > subsequently died. >> > >> > The ruling stated that the programme was by definition an advertisement >> > promoting cure by faith. >> > [image: IOL news TAC001] >> > >> > The Advertising Standards Authority has banned the Christ Embassy church >> > from airing its claims of faith healing, following a complaint from the >> > Treatment Action Campaign. >> > >> > Independent Newspapers >> > >> > This is against Asasa’s code since the Christ Embassy did not register > with >> > the Medicines Control Council to offer a product or service which cures >> > diseases. >> > >> > Christ Embassy said it would appeal the ruling and is adamant that it >> > can >> > convey the message to people that “they will be cured by the grace of > God”. >> > >> > Sean Sim, attorney for Christ Embassy, said: “My client feels that >> > people >> > can be healed through the grace of God and that there is nothing wrong >> > with >> > conveying that message. >> > >> > “We are not going to back away from this, there is nothing to apologise > for >> > and nothing untoward about the programme. My client maintains that >> > people >> > can be healed through faith.” >> > >> > Sim said they had 20 days to appeal the ruling. >> > >> > Etv, which is legally bound to the Asasa code, has been ordered to >> > withdraw >> > the advert. The Christ Embassy programme has run its course but the >> > ruling >> > applies to any similar programmes. >> > >> > The TAC’s Nathan Geffen said although the contract between e.tv and > Christ >> > Embassy came to an end some time ago, the channel was still broadcasting >> > the >> > programme two weeks ago in which the pastor, Chris Oyakhilome, claimed >> > to >> > have healed a woman with a breast tumour. >> > >> > At Thursday’s media conference Geffen said the Christ Embassy programmes >> > were “life destroying”. >> > >> > The TAC lodged the complaint after a Cape Town doctor notified it that >> > one >> > of his patients had stopped taking her XDR TB medication because she >> > believed the Christ Embassy could heal her. >> > >> > “She gave up her medicines because she believed Christ Embassy could >> > cure >> > her. She became ill again and died – but only after transmitting XDR TB > to >> > her children,” Geffen said. >> > >> > E.tv’s spokesperson, Vasili Vass, said on Thursday that it would abide >> > by >> > the ruling and withdraw the programme. - Cape Times >> > >> > >> > -- >> > [email protected] or [email protected]. You will find me on >> > both >> > e-mails >> > cell:0789228959 >> > tell:021-387-0022/3 >> > fax:086 604 1369 >> > "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - >> > Joe >> > Slovo >> > >> > -- >> > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >> > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply >> > to >> > this message. >> > You can visit the group WEB SITE at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >> > options, pages, files and membership. >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >> > [email protected] . >> > You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. 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