Well said comrade Since some comrades do beleive that comrade Julius is innocent, then let them buy more champagnes to pop upon acquital of comrade Julius. To reiterate on the statement of the YCL, let us allow allow all processes in place to be concluded. Some of us are acting as prosecuters and some defence counsels on the public media and this is uncalled for. There is also an appeal structure in the ANC, should the outcome is not satisfactory to the accused. Let us respect our organisation.
From: sibusiso Mchunu <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: [ANCMedia] ANC NATIONAL DISCIPLINARYCOMMITTEE STATEMENT ON THE CHARGING OF COMRADE JULIUS MALEMA Cde being charge does not mean one is guilty, and Being a leader also means that every turn the organization make whether the turn is positive and/or negative the leader takes responsibility. Let's allow the due process to unfold and be fair. DC is part of the ANC mechanism to resolve (inside) dispute had the ANC not have the DC i am sure another decision would have been made, but as the ANC today has decided to charge let's allow due process. we must not pre-empty the outcome as discipline ANC members we need to allow a democratic centralism to take its course. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Amandla Sibusiso Mchunu On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Mthimkulu Mashiya <[email protected]> wrote: As the statement itself says, "the disciplinary matter ...is now in the hands of the ANC National Disciplinary Committee." The 'legalities' (I would call it the processes) would surely be for Malema to have a fair hearing, which includes a right to be represented and a right to state his own case. I suppose he will raise the matter of this being the collective position of the ANCYL. > > >As for worst case scenario in the event of being found guilty, the ANC >Constitution states that: > > >"At the end of the disciplinary proceedings, the Chairperson of the >Disciplinary Committee must ensure that: > 1. The members of the Disciplinary Committee discuss the issues raised > at the disciplinary proceedings in private and make a finding based on the > facts and evidence of the case and make a ruling. > 2. The Chairperson and the members of the Disciplinary Committee decide > a penalty. The penalties are: > * Reprimand > * Payment of compensation and/or performance of useful tasks > * Suspension > * Expulsion. > 1. The charged member is advised of the ruling and the penalty of the > Disciplinary Committee with the reasons for these and is advised of her or > his right to appeal. > 2. That the ruling and penalty are publicly announced. (Rule 25.11)." >Of course, there are also appeal procedures that contained out in >the constitution. However I would caution comrades that let us not get ahead >of ourselves - let us allow the process to unfold! > > > >On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:01 PM, smanga <[email protected]> wrote: > >What implication the DC of the ANC will have on the NEC of the YL? >>Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: "Mosa" <[email protected]> >>Sender: [email protected] >>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:59:43 >>To: [email protected]<[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: [ANCMedia] ANC NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY >> >> COMMITTEE STATEMENT ON THE CHARGING OF COMRADE JULIUS MALEMA >> >>Interesting indeed! >> >>(a) 'ANC, the Public Protector, the Hawks and SARS (and @city_press!). At >>once' >>(b) 'the target' >>(c) 'So that there is no place to take cover' >> >>Same road to Polokwane and will follow developments with interest. >> >>Amandla!!! >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dominic Tweedie >>Sent: 19/08/2011 1:26:14 pm >>Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: [ANCMedia] ANC NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY >>COMMITTEE STATEMENT ON THE CHARGING OF COMRADE JULIUS MALEMA >> >>I military terms it is called "Time on target". >> >>It means that the artillery, from different locations, all fires at the same >>moment so that the target receives hits from many different directions in >>the same moment. So that there is no place to take cover. >> >>Maybe it's also what Julius Malema means by "multi-tricks". >> >> >>VC >> >> >> >>On 19 August 2011 13:22, Phuti <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> #Malema is now being investigated by the ANC, the Public Protector, the >>> Hawks and SARS (and @city_press!). At once. >>> >>> Copied from Social media..... >>> >>> All at once...... >>> >>> >>> On 19 August 2011 12:07, Bernard Makgaka <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> The position on Botswana was a product of the ANC Youth League's NEC. >>>> If anybody has be charged,it has to be the whole NEC for agreeing on a >>>> position that is against the ANC constitution. I fail to understand >>>> the reason why Julius is singled out or maybe there's a witch hunt >>>> against him >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/19/11, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> > From: ANC Media mailing list <[email protected]> >>>> > Date: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:39 AM >>>> > Subject: [ANCMedia] ANC NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY COMMITTEE STATEMENT ON THE >>>> > CHARGING OF COMRADE JULIUS MALEMA >>>> > To: ANC Media mailing list <[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ON SAPA-PR-WIRE >>>> > MEDIA STATEMENT >>>> > >>>> > ANC NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY COMMITTEE STATEMENT ON THE CHARGING OF COMRADE >>>> > JULIUS MALEMA >>>> > >>>> > The ANC National Disciplinary Committee would like to confirm that the >>>> > African National Congress, through its National Officials, served >>>> charges >>>> > this morning on one of its members, namely Comrade Julius Malema, who is >>>> > also the President of the ANC Youth League. Comrade Julius Malema >>>> > has been charged with various violations of the ANC Constitution, >>>> including >>>> > bringing the ANC into disrepute through his utterances and statements >>>> > on Botswana and sowing divisions in the ranks of the African National >>>> > Congress. >>>> > >>>> > The disciplinary matter concerning Comrade Julius is now in the hands of >>>> the >>>> > ANC National Disciplinary Committee, will henceforth deal with the date, >>>> > venue and time of the hearing. >>>> > >>>> > In accordance with the provisions of the Constitution of the ANC as >>>> > described in the Appendix to the Constitution, Comrade Malema will have >>>> an >>>> > opportunity to defend himself against these charges in a properly >>>> convened >>>> > hearing. He will be entitled to be represented by a member of the ANC >>>> > whose membership is in good standing. >>>> > >>>> > Issued by >>>> > Derek Hanekom >>>> > Chair of the ANC National Disciplinary Committee >>>> > African National Congress >>>> > 54 Sauer street >>>> > Johannesburg >>>> > >>>> > 19 August 2011 >>>> > >>>> > Enquiries >>>> > Keith Khoza 0828239672 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >__________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> > Please do not reply to this message. If you have any questions please >>>> > contact Brian Sokutu at 0716716899 or Ishmael Mnisi at 0823335550. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Gugu Ndima >>>> > +27 76 783 1516 >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>>> > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply >>>> to >>>> > this message. >>>> > You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>>> > options, pages, files and membership. >>>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>>> [email protected] . >>>> > You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have >>>> to >>>> > put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an >>>> e-mail to >>>> > this address (repeat): [email protected] . >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >>>> this message. >>>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>>> options, pages, files and membership. >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. >>>> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >>>> put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail >>>> to >>>> this address (repeat): [email protected] . >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >>> this message. >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>> options, pages, files and membership. >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. >>> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >>> put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to >>> this address (repeat): [email protected] . >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>The Communist University *Blog* is at: >>*http://domza.blogspot.com/*<http://domza.blogspot.com/> >>*Mail Subscription*: >>*http://groups.google.com/group/Communist-University/*<http://groups.google.com/group/Communist-University/> >>CU Site for *downloads*: *https://sites.google.com/site/communistuniversity/ >>* >>The *CU Africa* blog is at: *http://cuafrica.blogspot.com/* (Subscribe >>*here<http://groups.google.com/group/CUAfrica> >>*) >>The *SADTU* PolEd blog is: *http://sadtu-pol-ed.blogspot.com/* (Subscribe * >>here <http://groups.google.com/group/sadtu-political-education-forum>*) >>The *old CU site* is: http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ >>Subscription/unsubscribing *difficulties*? Mail *[email protected]* >> >>-- >>You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >>this message. >>You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>options, pages, files and membership. >>To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . >>You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put >>anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this >>address (repeat): [email protected] . >> >>-- >>You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >>this message. >>You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>options, pages, files and membership. >>To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . >>You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put >>anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this >>address (repeat): [email protected] . >> >>-- >> >>You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >>this message. >>You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>options, pages, files and membership. >>To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . >>You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put >>anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this >>address (repeat): [email protected] . >> > > > >-- >Mthimkulu Mashiya > >-- > >You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this >message. >You can visit the group WEB SITE at >http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, >pages, files and membership. >To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . >You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put >anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this >address (repeat): [email protected] . > -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] .
