Ooh My Goodness! A very wonderful piece Cde Shai. That was so profoundly accurate. At the end of this euphoria the movement will still need to do a careful reality check. I submit capitalism having accomplished more than all systems combined, it has no reached a stage were it is resisting to be negated and replaced with an alternative progressive system i.e socialism. Capitalism is failing to absorb and employ all productive forces optimally hence they are to be found loitering the streets of our towns during working hours. What is happening outside Luthuli House today is an epic manifestation of idling productive forces which are prone to embark on all sort of petit criminal activities and vulnerable to be co-opted by the anti-revolutionary tendancy to assault the progressive movement!
I commend you for a good piece leader. Cde George Pretoria On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Thobelani Sibusiso <[email protected]> wrote: > If I may ask, guys do you think there is a visionary leader from Juju boy > himself? His personality and leadership style are totally different from > each other. What do you think and considering this period at the YL. > > > > THOBELANI KA ZULU > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 30 Phatwe 2011 03:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > > > > Jst heard malema he diddnt say anything substantial jst calmed the crowd. > > was looking at the exc the new guys are still skinny compared to Juju&floyd > n Mabe. > > Shame to think the bread will be taken out of their mouths before they get a > taste > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > ________________________________ > > From: Monde Magagula <[email protected]> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:46:26 +0000 > > To: > [email protected]<[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > > > > I salute you, Comrade Isaac Shai, > > > > Ever since I joined this forum, this has proved to be the wisest and most > accurate analysis of the current events and state of affairs surrounding the > Malema hearing and other related issues. I fully concur with you Cde Isaac > Shai. Yours is a valid take, devoid of any form of hypocrisy. Yours is a > kind of maturity aptly demonstrated and certainly worth emulating. > > > > Monde > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Isaac Shai > Sent: 30 August 2011 02:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > > > > > > My thesis is that the hooliganism and criminality we are witnessing > outside Luthuli house has less to do with indiscipline but more to do with > the economic trajectory chosen by our own movement over the past decade > (this is not to exonerate the apartheid policy). This economic trajectory > has let to among others, the unemployment of those who were employed, the > inability to find employment for those never employed etc (and this is > mostly the African youth). Our membership of organisations such as the WTO > is unfailingly devastating. The chosen economic trajectory has bred an > African youth that is devoid of hope and very angry. If you do not have > hope, you have nothing to loose. In the process, opportunists have ceased > an opportunity to mobilise these disaffected youth. I am also of the view > that more than being at Luthuli House to defend Malema, majority is there to > actually tell the ANC that had they been employed, they would probably be at > work and not drinking the whole evening. Essentially the policy choices we > made are beginning to bite. Be that as may, there are also machinations at > play here: > > > > (mis)appropriation of history > > > > We should first dispose of two myths regarding the current Youth League. The > first myth is that the Youth League is a homogenous one. There are countless > Youth League members who are disciplined, well informed, well read, and > radical. The latter Youth is radical and militant but not rude, not uncouth > and not disrespectful. It is a decent lot. These comrades are conscious of > the fact that the unfolding NDR requires a cadreship that is disciplined and > militant yet thoughtful. These comrades are highly conscious of the fact > that it is revolutionary discipline that has made and sustained the ANC > throughout history and hitherto. Secondly, there is a youth that is a member > of the ANC and not a member of the Youth League. It is not a requirement of > the ANC constitution to firstly be a member of the Youth League before being > a member of the ANC. These youth is also disgusted by what has been > unfolding in the Youth League for some time. > > > > Having disposed of the myths, it becomes imperative to delve into emerging > tendencies of false historical comparisons. Firstly the Youth League of the > 40s was disciplined. The current Youth League is ill-disciplined. How do > comrades say that some our leaders possess fake accents, refer to leaders > of the ANC as yellow communists, wine drinkers etc. Secondly, the Youth of > the 40s was radical and militant. It was not arrogant, did not engage in > conspicuous consumption. It was decent yet revolutionary. Thirdly, the > objectives of the youth of the youth league of the 40s was not to weaken the > ANC, but to strengthen it. The current Youth League’s pronouncements have > taken a toll on the ANC. The youth of the 40s was part and parcel of > drafting the freedom charter, a non-racial document in character. Although > the Youth League of the 40s comprised elements of narrow African > nationalism, those elements quickly realised that the correct path was an > all encompassing African nationalism or revolutionary and progressive > African nationalism. The current Youth sounds worse than the PAC. The Youth > League of the 40s possessed foresight and vision. The current Youth League > does not. How do you talk of the NDR yet you progressively are involved in > actions that merely serve to weaken the ANC. If we genuinely revisit the > character of the Youth League of the 40s and make a comparison with the > current crop, we will agree that only false history is on the side of the > current Youth League. In trying to appropriate history, the current youth > league is misappropriating it, vulgarising and udulterating it. > > > > Misuse of popular and genuine discontent: > > > > The strategy goes: “they are unemployed, they have less or no hope at all. > We are in a position to further consolidate our material gains and sustain > our eating habits. Let us come with false programmes that will whip their > emotions and promise them that if we nationalise today, manna will also fall > today. Let’s tell them that we want economic freedom in our life time. But > comrades, we should not tell them that nationalisation is not necessarily a > panacea. We should not tell them nationalisation is not an end in itself and > that nationalisation is not inherently progressive. As part of our strategy, > let us not put much emphasis on education and a high premium on skills.” > Comrades will agree that the majority of those indulging in violent > activities outside Luthuli house are highly inebriated due to reckless > indulgence in alcoholic beverages for the better of last night and probably > this morning. Chances are that the majority is unemployed (how they afford > the waters is not rocket science). If they were employed i am certain that > they will be at work. I suppose they have taken leave? Right. > > > > One comrade correctly said that he does not believe in the concept of > “unemployable”, a concept which has taken root in our parlance. This comrade > said that the economic trajectory that gets chosen determines what type of > skills are required in an economy. The movement needs to be decisive, > quickly. The movement needs to quickly adopt a trajectory that will absorb > the majority of unemployed youth. Old news. This will weaken the strength of > demagoguery. I submit that the current wave of ill-discipline needs to > addressed and harshly so-but not at the expense of the underlying causes > that give rise to acts of hooliganism. May I further remind comrades that > Britain blamed the recent youth violence on disrespect and pure hooliganism. > Most of us disagreed with that analysis. We said the youth of Britain are a > disaffected lot, lacking in hope as a result of Britain’s own economic > policy choices that resulted in neglect of education, resulting in rampant > unemployment etc. If we are to be consistent, we would also locate the > current Youth League members’ shenanigans within the economic choices we > have made in South Africa. We therefore should reject the TINA mantra, which > says that There Is No Alternative. > > > > Amandla > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kodlana > Sent: 30 August 2011 10:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > > > > Oh wena Monica! > > I am not in this forum to entertain or agree with you, it so typical of the > so called communist to results to insult whenever there is a dissenting > voice. Because, we always do not share the same sentiments, therefore I am > destructive and childish. > > I am not surprised, by the way this how the "noble and faultless communist" > dealt with Mazibuko Jara, Phillip Dexter, Masondo. A member of this forun > just called Mama Winnie "reckless precious Winnie" and u never condemned > him. Are u by any chance implying, because YCL members have not ridiculed > their leadership, therefore it is correct for to ridicule other Alliance > leadership including Malema. > > I voluntary subscribed to be a member of this forum because I wanted to > learn about Socialism, but I can't fold my arms while all and sundry have > reduced this forum as "Malema/YL bashing gathering". Occasionally we receive > political education material, an you Saint Monica u don't comment on that, > but once Malema is attacked, then ur on the prowl as part of the attack. > > As I have said before, few of the people who have cared to defend the YL > were removed from this forum. I also know that my days are numbered in this > forum, but as long as I loose on this political education, because I dared > to defend my beloved YL and my president so be it. > > For ur information, I am not ignorant, and I am not part of the mob that is > outside Luthuli House. My unwavering support to them is limited as far as > their discipline goes. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > ________________________________ > > From: "MONICA.SEEPAMORE" <[email protected]> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:34:29 +0200 > > To: > [email protected]<[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > > > > Kodlana > > > > Your contributions in this forum are so destructive and childish.. I have > never read any positive contribution from you. Maybe you belong in that > unruly mob outside Luthuli House and should be counted among the ignorant. > What makes you believe that YCL would stoop so low as YL. For your > information YCL is disciplined and if you can please give any instance where > the YCL ridiculed the leadership of SACP, in public nogal. Grow up > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kodlana > Sent: 30 August 2011 08:21 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > > > > Leave Julius Malema out of this, there's no Malema in this picture. YL > members are just showing their dislike of Blade. Thabo Mbeki's picture and > T-shirts were burned before remember. I am definitely sure there are SACP or > YCL members who would burn Malema's picture if given a chance. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > ________________________________ > > From: sithembele senti <[email protected]> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:01:27 +0200 > > To: <[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > > > > I have said this earlier, this is a continued process of Julius defining > himself outside the ideals of the movement, the NDC must assist him. > > ________________________________ > > Subject: Re: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:58:46 +0200 > To: [email protected] > > Disgusting...... > > > > > > On 30 Aug 2011, at 8:39 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > This is so painful. I have lost words, it is as if he is really burning in > flesh. If its all about that; sure. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > ________________________________ > > From: Thobelani Sibusiso <[email protected]> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:53:51 +0000 > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: FW: [CU] Is this what it is all about? > > > > Cadres > > > > Why the burning of Dr Blade Nzimande’s pictures now? 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