Yes, this is true Cde Sbu, It is nearly four years since Thabo Mbeki was the President of the ANC.
Life cannot be a replay. Nor is it a practice-session. It goes forward. The question before us as ANC is: How are we rebuilding the branches? What contribution are we making? Is the Alliance coming alive at Ward level? VC On 5 September 2011 06:21, sibusiso Mchunu <[email protected]> wrote: > I think what we need to accept is that TM's time did come and now we have > JZ, just like we had Madiba, after JZ we will get somebody else, we cant > live in the past but we can use the past to our advantage to shape the > future, and be forward thinking. > > All human beings are not perfect just like use so we should not look for > something that is no where, but what is paramount is when those fault are > being mentioned what do you do... > > all of us or some, we have in one way or the other participated in > leadership and we cant claim that we did not loose sight of the ball at some > stage during leadership, therefore we need to be realistic about what we > want and expect. > > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Thabang Ngcozela > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> all the state institutions in a capitalist society are in service of the >> capitalist ruling class. Why waste time arguing about the supreme judge when >> we should be talking how best we can organise as the working class agaist >> the capitalist system. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth >> To: [email protected] >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:56:17 +0000 >> >> >> I did expect your response Gugu...lol.. U r bitter abt me and VC giving >> direction..lol..miss u too vha? >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *[email protected] >> *Sender: *[email protected] >> *Date: *Sun, 4 Sep 2011 19:04:00 +0000 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth >> >> U out of order maan Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email >> find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *[email protected] >> *Sender: *[email protected] >> *Date: *Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:52:06 +0000 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth >> >> Thanx VC... >> >> Gugu, had I not asked when were u gonna ask?? Comrades, Plz the VC n I >> can't think for u all the time..lol >> >> Madala >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >> *Sender: *[email protected] >> *Date: *Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:31:25 +0200 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth >> >> >> Because Mogoeng Mogoeng is not a yes-man. >> >> Jacob Zuma does not need yes-men, but TM did need yes-men. >> >> Some of the media pundits try to say nowadays that there should be >> "leadership", as if there is no programme. At the same time they ignore the >> five priorities and everything that is being done. >> >> The "leadership" that they mean is central control of the TM kind. But JZ >> is not like that. Which is why we want a JZ and not a TM. >> >> In the JZ world we are at liberty to be what we can be, and a Mogoeng >> Mogoeng can come to the fore without fear of jealousy from his own leader. >> >> >> VC >> >> >> >> On 4 September 2011 20:33, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> **Am also interested to know >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *[email protected] >> *Sender: *[email protected] >> *Date: *Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:20:18 +0000 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth >> >> Why VC do you say that?? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >> *Sender: *[email protected] >> *Date: *Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:18:02 +0200 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth >> >> >> Thabo Mbeki would not be likely to appoint somebody like Mogoeng Mogoeng, >> but Jacob Zuma can. >> >> VC >> >> >> On 4 September 2011 19:55, Mthubanzi Mniki <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> Can someone categoricaly tell me the difference between the leadership of >> the current ANC president, Jacob Zuma and former president Thabo Mbeki. >> Please maqabane understand that this is not a question to suggest anything, >> this is just an honest question. Can you assist Maqabane. >> >> >> ---------- >> Sent via Nokia Email >> >> ------Original message------ >> From: Petunia <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>,"yclsa-eom-forum" < >> [email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:02:24 PM GMT+0000 >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth >> >> Thanks cde, >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thamsanqa Tu <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:35:17 >> To: yclsa-eom-forum<[email protected]>; >> communist-university<[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Subject: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth >> >> I find it interesting that this City Press story has not made it into >> these forums today: >> >> Zuma has a plan for youth >> >> By: Piet Rampedi, Paddy Harper and Mandy Rossouw >> 2011-09-04 10:00 >> >> President Jacob Zuma and his allies plan to take over the leadership >> of the ANC Youth League as soon as next week. >> >> Seven inside sources told City Press that Zuma plans to dissolve youth >> leader Julius Malema’s executive and replace it with a 25-member >> group, called the “interim leadership core”, by the end of October as >> part of the ANC’s 2012 succession battle. >> >> Zuma will tell the national working committee, expected to meet >> tomorrow, that the youth league cannot continue with its top leaders >> stuck in disciplinary hearings. An interim structure is needed, he >> will argue. >> >> The decision needs to be finalised by the national executive committee >> (NEC) which constitutionally has the power to disband any ANC >> structure. >> >> Two youth leaders, an ANC national executive committee (NEC) member, >> a provincial leader and three well-placed sources close to Zuma’s >> allies said the ANC leader had been convinced by his confidants that >> he could no longer “co-exist” with Malema. >> >> The plan included packing the interim structure with youth leaders >> purged or suspended by Malema from the league. It would be led by >> Limpopo youth leader Julius Malema as national convener and ANCYL >> Eastern Cape chairperson Ayanda Matiti as secretary-general. >> >> The plan is for provincial and regional structures to be disbanded >> and replaced with interim structures before a conference is held by >> June next year, in time for next year’s conference. >> >> An ANC leader, who is neither sympathetic to Zuma nor Malema, said he >> was aware of the plan. “Malema is going to be suspended or expelled. >> Zuma’s people told him he needs to win or lose 2012 now. >> >> “Zuma is clever and won’t contest the conference if he knows he’s >> going to lose. That is why he’s going for Malema.” >> >> A provincial ANC leader added: “Zuma has been convinced that he can no >> longer co-exist with this boy (Malema). It’s either him, as president >> of the ANC and the country, leading without being undermined or it’s >> Julius.” >> >> Two youth leaders told City Press they had been approached about >> serving in the interim group in case Malema was suspended. >> >> “The national working committee will check the relevance of the >> league’s leadership nationally because of what is happening in the >> country, such as the burning of flags, and make a final decision,” one >> youth leader said. >> >> The sources said Malema’s nemesis Lehlogonolo Masoga was the initial >> favourite to lead the interim group, but had since been ruled out >> because he failed to appeal his dismissal from the league. >> >> Gauteng league leader Lebogang Maile was no longer an option because >> the Zuma camp suspected him of having struck a deal with Malema. >> >> This entailed Maile withdrawing from the league’s recent presidential >> race in exchange for the inclusion of his ally, ANC Gauteng >> chairperson Paul Mashatile, in the league’s top six candidates as >> national chairperson at the 2012 conference at Mangaung. >> >> For its part, the Malema camp has launched a counter-strategy that >> includes approaching former president Thabo Mbeki to stand for the >> position of ANC national chairperson to get rid of Zuma. >> >> Two ANC sources in KwaZulu-Natal said they had heard rumours that the >> ANCYL and its backers had approached Mbeki to stand. >> >> “We’ve heard that they have been talking to Mbeki to try get him to >> come back as chairperson to build the profile of their slate and add >> capacity,” said one source. “This does seem to fit in with their >> comments around Mbeki’s presidency, the wearing of Mbeki T-shirts and >> the comparisons of the two presidents raised by the league.” >> >> A source with knowledge of the discussions said that the league >> leadership will need to bring Mbeki’s nomination to the league NEC – >> where it will meet “massive resistance”. “If they propose him, we >> won’t accept that . . . That man will bring back all the things that >> made us kick him out. We will reverse the gains of Polokwane.” >> >> According to the source there are only three candidates for the >> national chairperson position – incumbent Baleka Mbete, Mashatile or >> Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi. >> >> A Luthuli House official said it is clear the league is making >> overtures to Mbeki. “They are sending messages saying they will be >> the foot soldiers if he fights Zuma.” >> >> There is doubt about whether Mbeki would accept such an offer. >> >> “Mbeki is one of those people who have intelligence; I doubt he will >> soil his hands,” the official said. >> >> Mbeki’s spokesperson Mukoni Ratshitanga told City Press he was not >> aware of approaches to Mbeki, who he understood was “out of South >> African politics for good”. >> City Press >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Thamsanqa Tu >> >> If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you're a comrade of >> mine - Enersto Che Guevara >> >> -- >> You are subscribed to the "Communist University" e-mail forum. >> The group site is at >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Communist-University >> The Communist University blog at http://domza.blogspot.com/ and our >> wikispace web site is at http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]; or e-mail >> [email protected] >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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