I agree with Cde Phillipmande on the fact that you comrades must this mudslinging at once and focus on the issue that comrade Lazola has raised. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:20:30 To: Mshengu Tshabalala<[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the Congress Movement? But cadre this name calling its not assisting the discussion,in fact it is out of order.Its unusual for communist to loose a level of engagement to a issue raised by Lazola or anyone and resolve to name calling,its disgusting. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "linda schalk" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:30:58 To: [email protected]<[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the Congress Movement? Lazola is our script writer with poor credentials and alarming ratings Sent from iPad -----Original Message----- From: Petunia Sent: 08/03/2012 15:39:16 Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the Congress Movement? Kwaaaaaa.....let's battle it out, some one shout, action! Lol.... Education shall be compulsory, universal, free and equal for all children! - The Freedom Charter: 1955 - -----Original Message----- From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:11:43 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the Congress Movement? No Petunia am the leading lady ....against the "stunt man" in this instance....hahahahahaha On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Petunia <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Another take..lol, that makes us all extras in this intellectual scene or > screening! > > > Niyangi qhaza yaz' > > 'Each one teach one' > Education shall be compulsory, universal, free and equal for all children! > - The Freedom Charter: 1955 - > ------------------------------ > *From: *Aphiwe Bewana <[email protected]> > *Sender: *[email protected] > *Date: *Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:03:59 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the > Congress Movement? > > *Another Take * > > ** > > Let us assume our ‘film director’ just uttered cut, so then we have to do > another take. Only hoping this time around it will be a final cut. I seek > not to find any absolute truth that exists beyond comrade Lazola Ndamase’s > observations and interpretations. In this regard I believe the statue does > not exist. > > > My entrance is the one which seeks to interplay my observations and his > with what society agrees as true, the purpose being to exchange ideas. I > never intended to *“lift even a single word or sentence in [Lazola’s] > paper to sustainable my allegations”, *because I imagined the proof was > [already] in the pudding.** > > > > I concluded, judging his views on the matter by saying “*all and all, you > attempt to justify why his [Malema’s] participation as an ANC member may be > short-lived”. *The closest single line or text that would vindicate my > judgment is the line wherein Lazola asserts that *“it is an indictment on > our movement that it has not been able to win comrade Julius Malema over to > its viewpoint since it recruited him at the age of 9 as he would have us > believe. When an organization arrives at this realization it has no choice > but to let go of its recruitee.”* *… {Evidence}* In this case I do > believe any other explanation outside or contrary to mine would be > mischievous. > > > > Cde Lazola who I also regard very highly wants us to believe that the > disciplinary measures taken by the ANC on Julius Malema are politically > (*sorry > ideologically*) motivated. However, this suggestion cannot be far from > the truth (*sorry my observation of the truth*). In his last sentence, > Lazola goes on to affirm this by saying “*but this has to be a political > function rather than a Disciplinary one”.* > > > > At hind-sight this insinuation may appear insignificant and harmless, but > it carries serious implications i.e. what are the limits on the ideological > framework of the ANC or how does the ANC treat those it deems as having > crossed over ideologically speaking? Besides the difficulty to having to > define the scope of ANCs ideology in all dimensions, one would find it very > hard and almost futile to start characterizing members based on their > ‘perceived’ individual standpoints. Even we can be 100% correct in > identifying and assigning someone’s ideology, what ought to concern the ANC > more is not the mere existence of such by how their actions compromise the > provisions as per the constitution. > > > > Personally, I am still to learn of any case wherein a member(s) of the ANC > are “*let go*” because they are ideologically outside the ANC scope or > limits. Even the very case of founding members of PAC we saw themselves as > more African than others, this “*let go*” was partly voluntary. In this > case, Julius wants to stay and is using all feasible avenues fighting for a > stay. I disagree with comrade Lazola, because his suggestions appear to > pursue ghosts where none actually exist. The issue is discipline let us > treat is as such. If it was not it was going to be very hard to justify > differing ideological perspective with discipline. I have heard many > arguing for a political settlement, but the constitution and code of > conduct of the organization is an embodiment of such a “political > settlement”. > > > > When all is lost the constitution is all we have, but in the wrong hands > even the holy bible can be the most evil entity in society! > > > > Libertarian Socialism > > Aphiwe Bewana > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM, morgan phaahla <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Revolutionary greetings, >> >> Cde Lazola, I've noted what you termed "short paper on >> Malema" premised from a resolutely subjective perspective to further >> contradict the multi-class character of the ANC as a broad church in its >> composition. >> >> The preamble of the ANC Constitution reads: "Whereas the African National >> Congress was founded in 1912 to defend and advance the rights of the >> African people after the violent destruction of their independence and the >> creation of the white supremacist Union of South Africa". This means the >> liberation of Africans in particular and black people in general from >> political and economic bondage. It means uplifting the quality of life of >> all South Africans, especially the poor. >> >> Therefore cde Lazola, divorcing the poor from African is a non starter >> as African people serve as the basis for the existence of the ANC, and >> African Nationalists in particular, whether you refer them as Pan >> Africanists or Cosmopolitan is a debate on its own, as all of them have >> found refuge in the ANC from its inception. >> >> This is the history that I want you to contextualise when constructing >> your next paper so it does not lose its credibility by virtue of >> being influenced by events. To single out cde Malema in this broad church >> is virtually subjective and may constitute fallacious reasoning. >> To this end, I am constrained to debate this question because of its lack >> of relevance. This must not be misconstrued as a defence for cde >> Malema because anyone may raise a counter argument and ask: 'Does Thami ka >> Plaatjie or Martinus van Schalkwyk belong to the ANC and the Congress >> Movement'. >> >> Such debates may set a very bad precedent for foreign tendencies to find >> expression in our movement. Hence it's problematic to use the circumstances >> of the ANCYL and cde Malema as a springboard to champion such devisive >> issues. >> >> I read and understood the premise of your "short paper on Malema" but I >> dismiss it as driven by factionalism. >> >> Remain, >> Morgan Phaahla >> >> "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - >> Joe Slovo >> >> --- On *Thu, 3/8/12, Lazola Ndamase <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Lazola Ndamase <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the >> Congress Movement? >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thursday, March 8, 2012, 2:06 AM >> >> >> Dearest comrades >> >> My apologies for not participating in this debate yesterday, something >> which I would have loved to do, but could not because I was in the COSATU >> March in JHB. I also welcome the responses to my short-paper and unlike >> comrade Sive Gumenge, I do not feel offended by any of the responses to >> this short-paper, including this one: "Ndamase must remember that this is >> not a movie since he always loves to be a Stunt man, maybe the problem is >> that he overrated himself as an organic intellectual." In the words of >> Engels: "*When one has been so long in the movement as I have, one >> develops a fairly thick skin against attacks...*" >> >> It would be delusional to pretend that debates on both the present and >> future of our movement will be characterised by congenial tea or dinner >> party exchanges, taking place during easy and polite conversations in the >> various communication mediums. No, they will be robust and I expected no >> less in relation to my short-paper on Malema. >> >> Far from "exposing the weakness" of my argument Comrade Aphiwe Bewana >> sidesteps my views altogether and erects a statue in their place which he >> so easily knocks down after that. He may have devoted a fairly >> comprehensive response to my short-paper but he gives the game away when in >> the absence of raw evidence of what he says I did he is forced to do a >> psycho-analysis of me as the author and alleges that my paper "*1. >> attempts to dissociate the embattled youth leader (Mr Malema) with the >> ideological scope or framework of the ANC, and 2. attempts to predict his >> ideological home through finding few peripheral links with Pan Africanism. >> All and all the attempt is to justify why his participation as an ANC >> member may be short-lived.*" >> >> Although bold in making the above allegations, comrade Aphiwe Bewana >> cannot lift even a single word or sentence in my paper to sustainable such >> allegations. The reader is thus supposed to believe what he says I did >> simply because he says so. Rather than empower the reader with evidence, he >> is left with no choice but to rely on faith on the infallibity of the >> author of such allegations. I have great respect for comrade Aphiwe Bewana, >> but am quite sure that he knows that his response fell short of its >> intentions. In order to get me out of the CINEMA as I'm supposed to be, >> comrade Aphiwe will have to marshal better arguments against my paper. >> >> By the way, a suggestion that a particular comrade harbors Pan-Africanist >> (read PAC-like) views does not as well suggest that the organization the >> person belongs to harbors such views as well and I'm quite sure that >> comrade Aphiwe knows he should not drag the ANCYL and the delegates to its >> Congresses to answer for Malema's views: "*This can go to an extent to >> saying the delegation of ANCYL in previous conference which has been >> agreeing on the very policy views which are now said to be Pan Africanist, >> was a Pan Africanist delegation.*" In my paper, I also make no statement >> that can be interpreted to mobilize such suspicion of ANCYL members. >> >> "Minister of Police, Minister of Intelligence, Minister of Justice — they >> are all Africans. But in the economics cluster, it’s minorities" Malema >> said in 2009. This reminds me of a former SASCO leader who took the time to >> count the number of Nguni's in the Zuma government and the number of >> non-Nguni's and on the basis of that concluded that the Zuma government was >> dominated by Nguni's. Such levels of tribal and racial consciousness are >> foreign to the movement and are to be found in the notion that suggests >> Africa for Africans associated with one Pan Africanist organization. >> >> Is it not Malema who instead of disagreeing with comrade Jeremy Cronin >> chose to tell us that we do not need a "white messiah" in reference to >> comrade Jeremy Cronin. Implicitly suggesting that he has no issue with a >> "messiah" per se in the political sense, but the fact that messiah is to be >> white is what he objects to. Of course, this statement was once said by >> Dumisani Makhaye to the same comrade Jeremy Cronin. The Party saw this for >> what it is and cautioned against a creeping: "African chauvinism". What is >> in the South African sense "African Chauvinism"? Isn't it the backward >> Pan-Africanism associated with the PAC? >> >> I do not deny, nor do I venture to the question of the New Tendency and >> Malema's relationship with it. I think I have written quite comprehensively >> about that subject in the past and thus there is no need to go back to that >> matter for now, I am quite sure that him being Pan-Africanist does not thus >> absolve him from being part of the New Tendency and thus I do not think on >> this score my arguments and those of Aphiwe are supposed to be >> diametrically opposed. >> >> I hope in my response comrades I was not in CINEMATIC mode as some >> suggest I find myself a movie from which I act "organic intellectual" when >> I write. >> >> Communist Regards >> >> Lazola Ndamase >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:52 PM, >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> ** >> Haai Mbali u r doing the same thing u r stopping me from... Why isolate >> Madala? >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sender: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Date: *Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:26:15 +0000 >> *To: >> *<[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> *ReplyTo: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the >> Congress Movement? >> >> @Sive >> Aphiwe is not attacking Lazola but attacking his views and exposing the >> weakness of his argument. Which is no different to what other comrades have >> done. I think your isolation of Aphiwe is unfair buti wam. >> >> Ta >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> ------------------------------ >> *From: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sender: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Date: *Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:11:51 +0000 >> *To: >> *<[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> *ReplyTo: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the >> Congress Movement? >> >> My problem with Aphiwe is that he wants to "burn a house, while we want >> to kill a mouse". The "devil" is not Lazola...it's malema... >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sender: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Date: *Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:49:04 +0000 >> *To: >> *<[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> *ReplyTo: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the >> Congress Movement? >> >> Ubambe iposition qabane, "he didn't let the devil run away with the >> gospel" he was to the point. >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sender: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Date: *Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:06:41 +0000 >> *To: >> *<[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> *ReplyTo: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the >> Congress Movement? >> >> Siboza, kubanjwe ntoni so that nathi sibambe qabane??? >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sender: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Date: *Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:16:55 +0000 >> *To: >> *<[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> *ReplyTo: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the >> Congress Movement? >> >> Well said cde Aphiwe, >> >> I could not have said it any better myself, uyi bambile Shlalo >> >> I thank you >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *Aphiwe Bewana >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> >> *Sender: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Date: *Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:06:34 +0200 >> *To: >> *<[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> *ReplyTo: >> *[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the >> Congress Movement? >> >> Malema belong(ed) to the ANC >> >> >> >> I have gone thru comrade Lazola’s input and could not help to draw a >> conclusion that comrade author is attempting to do two core things: 1. >> attempts to dissociate the embattled youth leader (Mr Malema) with the >> ideological scope or framework of the ANC, and 2. attempts to predict his >> ideological home through finding few peripheral links with Pan Africanism. >> All and all the attempt is to justify why his participation as an ANC >> member may be short-lived. >> >> >> >> The fundamental limitation with cde Lazola’s input is that the same >> issues that he raises as determining that Mr Malema’s ideological standing >> ought to be characterized as Pan Africanist can be said to several other >> leaders in the ANC currently. This can go to an extent to saying the >> delegation of ANCYL in previous conference which has been agreeing on the >> very policy views which are now said to be Pan Africanist, was a Pan >> Africanist delegation. Here I do not even want to invoke a debate the >> dynamics and interplay of personal ideology and organizational standpoints. >> >> >> >> I completely disagree with the characterization of Julius as Pan >> Africanist on basis of few tangential pronouncements. The avenue which I >> saw as better explaining the whole fiasco around the Jujumania >> (conceptually and ideological), is the whole issue of the New Tendencywhose >> key >> tactic to use of strident nationalist (and sometimes Africanist) rhetoric >> to justify a patronage politics that hopes to use money to gain position >> and position to gain more money. That ought to be our point of departure >> in attempting to deal with the New Tendency as embodiment of unscrupulous >> petty bourgeois tendency engulfing our liberation politics rather than as >> object or person. The core issue is not Malema per se but the unscrupulous >> culture that is spreading, which can be replicated in any youth leader in >> the ANC. >> >> >> >> In cautioning against dangers of rhetoric by opportunists, Vladimir Lenin >> writes *‘there are, however, moments, when a question must be raised >> sharply and things given their names, the danger being that otherwise >> irreparable harm may be done to the party and the revolution’. * >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Juma Ali >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> Great article Cde. Lazola. >> >> My main problem though is whether Malema's problems in the ANC are due to >> his perceived Pan-African radicalism or due merely to political expediency. >> For sure, one of the charges that remained was that of bringing the ANC to >> disrepute with his comments about the regime in Botswana which were seen to >> be at odds with ANC policies, but the merits of ascribing ideological >> differences to his disciplinary process are debatable against those of mere >> political expediency. >> >> Juma. >> >> *From:* Lazola Ndamase >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> *To:* >> [email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>; >> yclsa-eom-forum >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1301.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:01 AM >> *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Does Malema belong to the ANC and the >> Congress Movement? >> >> Does Malema belong to the ANC? >> >> The ANC is not ideologically pure. It would be dishonest to suggest so. >> Any way as a multi-class organization it is bound never to be. Any national >> liberation movement worth its salt has a responsibility to attract the >> broadest sections of the oppressed in order to succeed in its struggle. In >> order to ensure unity within its ranks whilst maintaining its broad appeal, >> it has a responsibility to set out an all inclusive, less stringent >> ideological perspective whilst at the same time allowing enough space for >> various ideological standpoints to contest for hegemony within. >> >> However, although tolerant to divergent ideological standpoints within >> its ranks it has a responsibility to draw the line, or set broad parameters >> about its ideological standing. That’s exactly what the ANC did in relation >> to African chauvinism, or what in a more sophisticated sense is termed >> Pan-Africanism. This does not mean our movement believes Pan-Africanists >> are counter-revolutionary, it just believes that they are not as >> progressive as it would prefer. >> >> Contrary to the ANC, comrade Malema is not a progressive nationalist, >> something to which the ANC has evolved to base its Africanism; in contrast >> he is a Pan-Africanist. The primacy of his ideas is Pan-Africanist rather >> than Progressive Nationalist. His ideas resonate well with those of other >> Pan-Africanist youth organizations in the continent which have openly >> declared support for him such as Zanu-PF and the liberation movement of >> Tanzania Chama cha Mapinduzi. This is in contrast to the silent treatment >> he has received from our traditional allies such as Frelimo of Mozambique >> and the MPLA of Angola. >> >> In him, Pan-Africanists in the continent saw themselves. His >> Pan-Africanism is also the reason why the term “African Child” has found >> new popularity since he became President of the ANCYL. Before him, by the >> way, this term did not belong to the vocabulary of the Congress Movement >> but to that of the Pan-Africanists such as the PAC, AZAPO and other similar >> movements. >> >> Another term barely used in the movement popularized by Malema is the >> word “settler”, a word Julius brought us from the Pan-Africanist >> dictionary. The Congress Movement barely used this term, even in our songs, >> or chants. The closest an ANC member got to this would be through the use >> of the word Boer. Note, even the most controversial chant done in the >> movement “kill the Boer: the farmer”, still does not contain the word >> “settler”. “One settler, one bullet” was not a slogan of the ANC but that >> of the PAC, and our cadres were not cultured to speak in this way, hence we >> could not chant in this way. >> >> The fact that he is Pan-Africanist, does not suggest that comrade >> Malema’s ideas are not left leaning, or less radical, in actual fact, he is >> a bloody radical one. His Pan-Africanism, is what I believe drives his >> radicalism, despite the fact that his location in class society should have >> driven him otherwise. It is not in spite of his Pan-Africanism but because >> of it that he is so radical. Although stinking rich, he being an “African >> Child” cannot bear to see the impoverishment of another “African Child” >> particularly while he, the rich one, is surrounded by “white settlers” in >> rich society. This is completely painful for the “African child”. The fact >> that comrade Malema, was born from an African working class family >> strengthens this point of view, particularly his idea that the enemy is not >> the capitalist per se, which he himself is, but the “white capitalist”. >> >> His infatuation with “white" monopoly capital does not stem only from the >> ANC’s characterization of monopoly capital as a threat to development but >> arises from his own realization that it is the face of white opulence. The >> fact that monopoly capital to him, has a color is one other interesting >> fact. Of course, I am not denying that Monopoly capital is largely white, >> but the fact that in Malema’s eyes it seems not all Monopoly Capital is an >> enemy of the revolution but only assumes that role because its white. Even >> on the question of conspicuous consumption. Comrade Malema often retorts >> whether it should only be white youth that should dress in a particular way >> or not? He makes this point at every turn: even lamenting that rich “white” >> boys drive expensive cars in Sandton and nobody complains. >> >> By the way, Pan-Africanism is not just radical but also uncompromising. >> Comrade Malema is cut from the same cloth. My view though is that, its >> South African version is unscientific. It will never be able to resolve the >> race question in South Africa but would exacerbate it. Of course, when the >> struggle for liberation is still in its infancy, Pan-Africanism or Black >> Consciousness is necessary to uplift the self-worth of the oppressed and >> rouse them to stand up against their oppression. But it usually can go no >> further. >> >> Comrade Julius Malema should not have joined the ANC in the first place. >> He does not belong there and he does not share its ideas. Of course, for >> numerical purposes we must be thankful that he chose to join the ANC rather >> than the PAC or AZAPO. He must be more thankful that his Pan-Africanist >> tendencies were not discovered early on before he could rise up the >> organizational ladder. For this, he must thank our now pathetic recruitment >> system which holds that anyone with a membership form and fee is almost a >> member. >> >> Surely, I am not suggesting that our movement should not have looked to >> the Africanists to recruit. 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