Cadre, I fully agree with you. Cosatu made a call on every South African to join these protest actions be they black or white - rich or poor. It doesn't therefore follow for the ANCYL to be excluded while other structures were afforded a space to deliver their message of support. Not unless there is a hidden agenda engineered from somewhere. This agenda will come to light with a passage of time and actors will suffer the consequences of being exposed or exposing themselves. Where is Willie Madisha and Smuts Ngonyama today? History has a funny way of repeating itself. Watch the space! Morgan
"Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Mon, 3/12/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Sidumo Dlamini - Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address COSATU march To: [email protected] Date: Monday, March 12, 2012, 4:10 AM Comrade Gugu, I have no problem with Juju addressing, in fact he did address, Buti and I addressed after him. If the YCL and SASCO were allowed why not the ANCYL, which supported the march. He chanted later, when we were at the Premiers office, but at DoL, he addressed, but that is not an issue. The official spokesperson of the YL is its President, in this case its comrade Malema. To me there is no taking sides, by the way cde Malema spoke on issues that related to the march and not on his issues in the ANC. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:57:00 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Sidumo Dlamini - Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address COSATU march But we don't even need to debate this because he didn't even speak. He merely chanted(unless something is wrong with that) . . . Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: Aphiwe Bewana <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:55:35 +0200 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Sidumo Dlamini - Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address COSATU march Greetings cdes Sometimes I get puzzled. Puzzled not by what one is saying but the reasoning behind some pronouncements. I respect cde Sdumo Dlamini as a president of COSATU, but at times he continues to fail us. If this article quotes him correctly he argues that “ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address Cosatu's march on Wednesday”- (The Times). And the basis of not allowing Julius Malema (ANCYL President) is that he is still fighting his expulsion from the ANC. He goes on to say "we don't want to be seen to be involved and taking sides in these internal processes in the ANC”. I wonder since when can allowing the standing President of ANCYL (an alliance body) ever be seen as taking sides. No matter what internal issues that a member of the organization might be going thru they still remain members up until all constitutional provisions (including appeal process) has been exhausted. The ANCYL has no other president other than Mr Malema, meaning any suggestions that he be treated any more or less should be an issue of concern. The decision to allow the president of youth league to speak was a correct and principled one. So what cde Sdumo is suggesting is both narrow and divisive to say the least. The issue that cde President ought to deal with in relation to the march is who invited DA and where did such a person get the mandate to do so? On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: Why are saying cde Sidumo is contradicting himself Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 07:18:36 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Sidumo Dlamini - Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address COSATU march Sdumo is contradicting himself Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 07:06:24 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Sidumo Dlamini - Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address COSATU march Thiza wam iPolitics.. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 06:57:11 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Sidumo Dlamini - Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address COSATU march Interesting times generally in the Alliance. I was watching e-news just now; I heard a report saying that Deputy President's better half (Gugu Mtshali) is implicated in some serious deal which involved soliciting a bribe for supply of aviation related things(sorry not good with these things) . But I saw it in passing. So it really is interesting that she is being watched . .and I assume she must be prominent if she sits in such meetings Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 06:52:35 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Sidumo Dlamini - Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address COSATU march Interesting times in COSATU... I guess this is an indication that the "One Man" show is over at COSATU... Let's watch and see as things will unfold... Viva COSATU Viva... Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: VC <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 08:07:36 +0200 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Sidumo Dlamini - Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address COSATU march No JuJu, no Zille, no split, says Cosatu Sibusiso Ngalwa, Sunday Times, Johannesburg, 11 March 2012 EXPELLED ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema should not have been allowed to address Cosatu's march on Wednesday, says the labour federation's president, Sdumo Dlamini. He also wants disciplinary action against anybody who invited DA leader Helen Zille to any of the marches organised by Cosatu to protest against labour broking and e-tolling. Cosatu should have avoided having Malema speak, because the youth leader is still fighting his expulsion from the ANC, he said. "We don't want to be seen to be involved and taking sides in these internal processes in the ANC. "I know the youth league said they were there to support the workers' demand, which we appreciate - and, indeed, the youth league is affected by the labour brokers. It is a victim of unemployment. But .. we should be careful and avoid Cosatu structures being used to foment factional battles within the ANC or the alliance. Cosatu must always protect itself from that all the time," said Dlamini. He added that Cosatu would have a discussion to "understand how it happened". Dlamini said the youth league had sent a request to participate in the march to Cosatu in Gauteng, instead of to the national office. He said the labour organisation "has taken a conscious decision that we shall respect the internal disciplinary processes in the ANC". But Dlamini's statements do not chime with the actions of Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi, who shared the stage with Malema. Dlamini said that while the ANC had not raised the issue formally, he had received calls from individual leaders seeking an explanation. There are growing signs of divisions within the federation over support for President Jacob Zuma, who will seek a second term as ANC president in Mangaung in December. But Dlamini said: "Jacob Zuma has done nothing to divide Cosatu. It will be the conduct of the individual different leaders that ... [would be] causing divisions in Cosatu because of the Mangaung conference of the ANC. "The last [Cosatu] central executive committee warned, yet again, that all Cosatu leaders ought to desist from making public statements that will foment tensions and divisions within Cosatu and within the alliance. "It reminded us once more: we are not engaged in the succession debates of Cosatu and the alliance partners." Dlamini insisted that Zille was never invited: but the DA leader claimed Cosatu withdrew an invitation to her after internal wrangling over the issue. "If there is anybody in Cosatu who would have extended an invitation to the DA that person must be disciplined. Helen Zille ... was not invited," the federation president said. While Vavi shared the stage with Malema on Wednesday, Dlamini was leading the Durban leg of the protest, alongside SA Communist Party boss Blade Nzimande. The Cosatu leaders' choices of partners at the marches have been interpreted as a sign of where their allegiances lay. But Dlamini said there was nothing untoward about his sharing a platform with Nzimande, one of Malema's fiercest critics. Asked if he would seek re-election at Cosatu's congress in September, Dlamini it was not his place to decide his future in the federation. "I don't comment on those matters ... I believe in a pure democratic process. I believe leaders do not announce themselves, whether they are available or not. You don't do that: you allow members to discuss, with you not even being aware that they are talking about you," he said. In an interview with Business Day this week, however, Vavi, confirmed his availability for re-election as the organisation's general secretary. However, Vavi said in Cape Town yesterday that Cosatu was not divided over Zuma's re-election "There are no pro- or anti- Zuma factions within the federation. Cosatu has taken a firm decision not to discuss the ANC leadership issue and has indeed not discussed whether it will or will not support anybody. We remain fully committed to our alliance with the ANC and SACP," the statement said. From: http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/2012/03/11/no-juju-no-zille-no-split-says-cosatu -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . 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